I took a nap this afternoon and I'm pretty much fine, just a little tired still.
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I took a nap this afternoon and I'm pretty much fine, just a little tired still.
rick81721
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I’m sure they’re going to have to see how long the efficacy lasts after a booster. Maybe it’ll be 6 months, maybe a year, maybe 2 months.
Also, maybe the vaccine is not effective at all against the new strain and they’ll have a new one, which sounds like it’s on the way already.
Yeah it does seem with the mRNA we'll have ever changing boosters, which is good. And I think it was kind of a dumb question because there's no 6-month planning that's concrete with this whole situation, constantly changing.
I'm wondering if they'll do mRNA flu vaccines. It may mean that the vaccine can be more representative of what flu is spreading that year.
On the bright side both Pfizer and Merck are looking for approval for a 5 day pill regimen to keep people who test positive out of the hospital. Supposedly tested really well.
rick81721
Lothar
I would guess annually like flu shots.
But why? They went to 6 months because the antibodies from the vaccine seem to last less than 6 months. So a year would be pretty far off for at risk groups.
Although if we do end up with Omicron style variants that are less dangerous maybe it isn't as much of an issue and vaccines won't be as important.
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And in other weird data points, our 20something engineers in our office that are vaccinated are starting to get breakthrough infections. Symptoms extremely mild but the bigger issue is being in quarantine hell for a few days.
PCR & Rapid tests filled with either false positives or false negatives, probably due to mild case.
rick81721
Lothar
Immunity is more than just antibody levels. They are basically just flailing in the direction of sooner is better until there is more data.
Probably the most correct word to describe most of the official responses.
Captain Brainstorm
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Current vaccine is better than mRNA because its more stable. Problem with the flu is that it mutates so rapidly and there is a third species of animal (pig) that acts a mixing vessel between species. The vaccine is based on what is emerging in Asia 6mo prior to our flu season, because that's where the new strains come from. One of my graduate professors helped the CDC come up with the vaccine every year.
There is memory T-Cells in addition to antibodies, and those are not measured, but equally as important. We don't even have 1.5yr data from the clinical trials, so everything the talking head and Faucci's of the world do is flailing.
Well that's why I'm wondering if the mRNA vaccine would help. While the conventional vaccine would be 6 months before and a guess, it's possible that 2 months before they can do an mRNA vaccine of an update for a new strain that has taken hold.
But with that, I would think the injection would be a combination of 6 month old vaccine and 2 month old mRNA update.
Not a virologist.
Captain Brainstorm
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There are a lot of assumptions built into this that are a challenge, working for the industry I don't see 2mo happening. You have to identify a new strain, where the mutation/difference is, whether or not it impacts virulence/morbidity (nothing definitive for Omicron except hype and speculation so far), then scale it up, produce it, and distribute it.
rick81721
Lothar
Day after moderna booster of 2 doses of Pfizer. Moderna booster is half their regular dose. Good thing - my left shoulder is even more sore than after the 2nd Pfizer shot. Was really tired earlier today - almost fell asleep at mass - didn't help that the stand-in priest gave one of longest and most rambling homilys of all time. I felt like standing and singing, "Lord, I was born a ramblin' man!"
Should have gotten the J&J