This Thread Blows - C19 and beyond

Tim

aka sptimmy43
Because it's frustrating seeing people be assholes.

It's basically like going for a walk through your neighborhood and you watch one neighbor's who's walking their dog let it shit on another neighbor's lawn and not clean it up.

It doesn't affect you, but you're watching someone be an asshole.
Not the same. Some asshole not getting a vaccine and lying about it has nothing to do with me. It's his problem and the problem of all the other assholes that do the same thing. This whole mantra of getting into other people's business because you don't agree is getting old. And I mean "you" in the impersonal sense. Social media and social justice warriors are destroying our ability to behave like civil human beings.
I'd rather people get vaccinated so we can be done with this as opposed to figuring out ways to beat the system at other people's expense.

Approximately 50% of NY and NJ residents are vaccinated right now. If everyone had his attitude there could have been 7-8000 non-vaccinated people in MSG last night. If cases rise they will just lock us down again. Kinda over it.
How is this at your, mine, or anyone else's expense? I'm sorry but it just isn't. Cases and deaths continue to plummet. Vaccines are readily available for anyone who wants one. Sorry, but lockdowns are not going to happen again.

I'm not "kinda over it." I'm over it over it, like all the way over it. I'm also over all this nonsense about calling people out over whatever personal choices they decide to make. You can't force people to do what you want them to do. Get over it.
 

Norm

Mayor McCheese
Team MTBNJ Halter's
I'm not "kinda over it." I'm over it over it, like all the way over it. I'm also over all this nonsense about calling people out over whatever personal choices they decide to make. You can't force people to do what you want them to do. Get over it.

I am with you...mostly.

The only caveat is that our 11 year old is unable to get vaccinated right now so it's not entirely true that we all have the avenues to protect ourselves and not care what others think or do. I mean, 95% I am with you, and if the 11 year old gets it there is 99.6% chance it will be a passing bump in the road.
 

Tim

aka sptimmy43
I am with you...mostly.

The only caveat is that our 11 year old is unable to get vaccinated right now so it's not entirely true that we all have the avenues to protect ourselves and not care what others think or do. I mean, 95% I am with you, and if the 11 year old gets it there is 99.6% chance it will be a passing bump in the road.

That is a valid point. I have an 8 year old so I get it. I always seem to interpret these conversations as they relate to adults but I certainly don't mean to be dismissive of the virus and children. I am eagerly awaiting registration of the vaccine for the younger age groups.
 

a.s.

Mr. Chainring
If you refuse to get vaccinated and get the Delta variant, and then get really sick and have all kinds of complications or even die... too bad for you. That's all I gotta say about that.
 

thegock

Well-Known Member
I'm not "kinda over it." I'm over it over it, like all the way over it. I'm also over all this nonsense about calling people out over whatever personal choices they decide to make. You can't force people to do what you want them to do. Get over it.

Apparently South America is not quite over it per the WSJ:

South America has EIGHT times worlds death rate

By Samantha Pearson and Luciana Magalhaes

June 21, 2021 2:12 pm ET

SÃO PAULO—While Covid-19 is receding in much of the world, the pandemic is raging in South America, which has just 5% of the world’s population but now accounts for a quarter of the global death toll.

Almost a million people have died across 12 countries in the region. Amid another devastating surge, Brazil surpassed 500,000 this past weekend, with the virus killing seven times as many people per capita each day than in hard-hit India. Colombia and Argentina, which together have 95 million people, are tallying three times as many deaths each day as all of Africa. Of the 10 countries around the world with the highest daily death rates per capita, seven are now in South America. Collectively, the region’s death rate per capita is eight times the world’s rate.

Several factors explain why: a slow rate of vaccination, the spread of new Covid-19 variants, crowded cities, weak healthcare systems, far higher rates of obesity than in Africa and Asia, and some governments that largely gave up trying to control the virus.

“While infections and deaths from Covid-19 are decreasing in the U.S. and other nations, South America has turned into the pandemic’s epicenter,” said Denise Garrett, an epidemiologist who worked for the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention for more than 20 years.

The aftershocks of the pandemic in South America are likely to reverberate for years to come. It has pushed millions back into poverty, hobbled economies and deprived some of the most needy children of schooling for more than a year.

Some overwhelmed hospitals have had to put on hold preventive care for conditions such as cancer, setting the region up for an explosion of other health problems in the coming years.

As anger builds over governments’ handling of the crisis, signs of political upheaval are multiplying. Violent protests have already rocked Colombia. Brazil’s president, Jair Bolsonaro, is facing a congressional inquiry over his handling of the pandemic, with antigovernment street demonstrations gaining momentum over the weekend. In Peru, voters elected the head of a Marxist party as president, and leftist groups are drafting Chile’s new constitution.

The country with the world’s highest daily death rate is now landlocked Paraguay, with 19 times as many deaths than the U.S. per capita. With 50 million people, Colombia has recorded about 4,200 deaths from Covid-19 over the past week—about 50% more than the whole of Africa.

An aggressive Covid-19 variant called P.1 has spread from the Amazon to other parts of Brazil and has now been identified in U.S. cases. WSJ’s Paulo Trevisani reports from Porto Alegre’s overwhelmed hospitals, where doctors say young people are getting ill. Photo: Tommaso Protti for The Wall Street Journal (Video from 3/18/21)

While some countries like Chile have progressed quickly with vaccinations, fewer than one in 10 people in Latin America and the Caribbean overall have been vaccinated, according to the Pan American Health Organization, or PAHO.

Carissa F. Etienne, director of PAHO, urged G-7 leaders to speed up the delivery of a billion vaccines they have pledged to donate to developing nations by the end of 2022. The White House recently announced the donation of 500 million Pfizer vaccines to 92 countries, but only Bolivia and Guyana made the list from South America.

“We have been in crisis for months,” Ms. Etienne said in a briefing this past week. “Without the international community’s support, recovery is a distant future.”

In Argentina, where infections have risen more than fourfold since February, President Alberto Fernández has faced criticism over failing to secure enough vaccines. While almost a third of the population has received at least one dose, only 8% have been fully vaccinated.

“I feel completely abandoned by the government,” said Kitty Sanjuas, a 73-year-old English teacher in Buenos Aires who got her first dose in April and is awaiting her second.

Confronted during the past year with the near-impossible task of keeping people at home in countries where half of workers toil in the informal economy, often living hand to mouth, some officials bet on herd immunity, either openly or behind closed doors. The result was deadly.

Victor Zamora, who was Peru’s health minister at the start of the pandemic, said the government was so sure last year there wouldn’t be a second wave that they shelved contracts to build new plants to manufacture canisters of oxygen. It was a decision that had deadly consequences as people suffocated from a lack of oxygen.

“It was a miscalculation on the part of the government,” said Dr. Zamora. “It was the result of an evaluation that said we had reached herd immunity.”

Cumulatively, Peru has had by far the highest number of deaths from Covid-19 per capita in the world. The total death count in the country of 32 million tops 190,000, more than three times higher than far more populous South Africa.

In Brazil, as infections surged in the Amazonian city of Manaus last year, President Bolsonaro also encouraged local officials to test out herd immunity, speaking out against lockdowns and face masks, and playing down the dangers of the virus, according to statements given during the congressional inquiry.

The result, public-health experts said, was the collapse of the health system and the emergence in Manaus of the aggressive Gamma variant, previously called P.1, that is now wreaking havoc across Latin America.

The Gamma strain, responsible for most new infections in Brazil, was shown to be up to 2.2 times more contagious than previous versions of the virus. The country is logging about 2,000 deaths a day, reaching a total of 501,825 on Sunday.

In South America’s biggest city, São Paulo, more than 300,000 people have failed to return for their second vaccine dose. State government officials said they believe that people may either be afraid after suffering side effects from the first, or have forgotten, or have even fallen sick between doses

It is a worrisome trend, epidemiologists said, especially because Brazil and other countries have largely relied on the CoronaVac vaccine from Chinese firm Sinovac, which some studies show has little efficacy after the first shot.

The region’s dense big cities aided transmission, and a growing obesity problem also made its citizens more vulnerable to Covid-19, which research has shown to be particularly fatal for those with a higher body-mass index. About 60% of Latin Americans are overweight, according to PAHO figures. And with a median age of 31, South Americans are more susceptible than people in Africa, where the median age is 20.

About 2,000 Brazilians under the age of 19 have died from Covid-19 in Brazil, 40% of them this year.

“Everyone was so worried about the elderly that we forgot about the young,” said Angela Maria Massaneiro, a 34-year-old baker. Her 14-year-old daughter, Jenyffer Massaneiro, was admitted to intensive care with Covid-19. With heart problems and weighing almost 200 pounds, she grew severely ill after catching the virus from her parents, though she managed to pull through in the end.

Victor Costa Júnior is an assistant director at Little Prince, a pediatric hospital in the southern city of Curitiba, which has seen more children die from Covid-19 in 2021 than in the whole of last year. The longer children have stayed under lockdown, he says, the worse Brazil’s childhood obesity problem has become.

Latin Americans have also grown weary of staying home. On Saturday night, as Brazil’s death toll from Covid-19 surpassed 500,000, crowds of unmasked revelers gathered as normal across the country’s bars and restaurants.

“People just don’t seem to get what’s going on,” said Geci de Souza Junior, director of Curitiba’s Worker’s Hospital, which like many others has run out of intensive-care beds for Covid-19 patients. Only several weeks ago, military police busted 120 senior citizens at an underground bingo club in the city for breaking social-distancing rules set by the local government.

Mr. de Souza Junior said he believes people would take more precautions if they could see up close the gruesome effects of the disease.

“If only people could see what I do,” said Mr. de Souza Junior, “how patients’ skin rots from bed sores after being intubated for so long.”

—Ryan Dube in Lima, Peru, and Kejal Vyas in Bogotá, Colombia, and Silvina Frydlewsky in Buenos Aires, Argentina contributed to this article.
 

Santapez

Well-Known Member
Team MTBNJ Halter's
“Everyone was so worried about the elderly that we forgot about the young,” said Angela Maria Massaneiro, a 34-year-old baker. Her 14-year-old daughter, Jenyffer Massaneiro, was admitted to intensive care with Covid-19. With heart problems and weighing almost 200 pounds, she grew severely ill after catching the virus from her parents, though she managed to pull through in the end.
Not talked about enough is the affect obesity has on outcome.
 

Patrick

Overthinking the draft from the basement already
Staff member
other than florida blowing up with covid....

queue up monkeypox. think i remember that making news about 20 years ago too.

 

JerseyPete

Well-Known Member
other than florida blowing up with covid....

queue up monkeypox. think i remember that making news about 20 years ago too.

Are you kidding me fuck me are you fucking kidding me GIF on GIFER - by  Nalar
 

thegock

Well-Known Member

Apparently, India hasn't quite "gotten over it:"​

From the WSJ​

India’s Covid-19 Death Toll Is Likely in the Millions, Study Finds​

Researchers estimated number of fatalities caused by the disease at about four million, which would be 10 times the official count

By Shan Li

July 20, 2021 10:48 am ET

NEW DELHI—The true tally of Covid-19 deaths in India following a devastating spring surge is likely close to 10 times higher than the country’s official count, marking the pandemic as one of the worst tragedies to ever hit the South Asian nation, according to a new study.

India has officially recorded more than 414,000 coronavirus deaths, but scientists and researchers have said that number undercounts the real toll. When India’s cases peaked in April and May, hospitals across the country were forced to turn away patients who later died at home, often untested.

The study pegged excess deaths—or the number of people who died beyond what is normally expected—at between 3.4 million and 4.7 million from January 2020 to June 2021, according to the report released Tuesday from Arvind Subramanian, a former chief economic adviser for the Indian government, and researchers at the Center for Global Development and Harvard University.

One estimate in the study pegged Covid-19 deaths at about four million, roughly 10 times the official count. “True deaths are likely to be in the several millions, not hundreds of thousands, making this arguably India’s worst human tragedy since partition and independence,” the report said.

The study was based on three data sources: deaths from several states logged into the country’s civil registration system, blood tests that show antibodies for the virus in India along with fatality rates in other countries, and a nationwide household survey that is conducted three times a year.

Researchers said that estimating Covid-19 deaths with confidence may prove elusive. But all estimates, they noted, put the true toll of the pandemic at many times higher than the official death count.

Researchers also said that as many as two million deaths occurred before the surge in April and May. The fatalities were spread over a longer stretch of time, which muted the apparent severity. Failing to understand the scale of death, the report said, may have “bred the collective complacency that led to the horrors of the second wave.”SOCI ALDI IMG_20200216_092855-01.jpg
 

thegock

Well-Known Member
And back here in the best country in the world, Florida's 7DMA new dead bodies is 29---203/week. That's 6x NJ or 5x NY. Things like this and the 4MM deaths in India are why the markets drop 2% in a single day.

USA C-19

For an explanation, we turn to "people like..."

@rick81721
 

Norm

Mayor McCheese
Team MTBNJ Halter's
Why does it seem like you revel in joy every time more people die?

It's seriously messed up. I mean, I like ribbing Rick as much as the next guy but you know, these are real people that are dying, right?
 

rick81721

Lothar
And back here in the best country in the world, Florida's 7DMA new dead bodies is 29---203/week. That's 6x NJ or 5x NY. Things like this and the 4MM deaths in India are why the markets drop 2% in a single day.

USA C-19

For an explanation, we turn to "people like..."

@rick81721

Old man @thegock is not the brightest bulb in the chandelier. Obviously, the market went down because covid is going up in all 50 states, FL is just ahead of the curve due to hot temps (more people inside) and lower vaccination rates compared to the northern states (but pretty much the national ave). See UK data to see where we will be as a country in another month or so - and the UK has a significantly higher vaccination rate than us.
 
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