Things that make you frown :(

roc

Well-Known Member
I’m always surprised as the kids not wearing helmets and I mean kids under say 10. My son (7) always wears his.
My son used to always wear his, but lately, I’ve seen him without the helmet. He’s 15, not really sure what the consequences should be. He’s pretty good about it, not perfect. So what does a dad do? Most of his friends do not wear a helmet.. it’s always confused me, most of his friend’s parent seem intelligent enough to understand the need, but none of them enforce it. It’s a quandary. I never wore one until my early 20’s, but we all know better now.
 

Mathers

Well-Known Member
My son used to always wear his, but lately, I’ve seen him without the helmet. He’s 15, not really sure what the consequences should be. He’s pretty good about it, not perfect. So what does a dad do? Most of his friends do not wear a helmet.. it’s always confused me, most of his friend’s parent seem intelligent enough to understand the need, but none of them enforce it. It’s a quandary. I never wore one until my early 20’s, but we all know better now.
I think it depends on what they are doing too. Hanging out and whatnot on your bike not sure you need a helmet. I. In The trails riding probably a good idea to put on helmet.
 

Patrick

Overthinking the draft from the basement already
Staff member
my take is that they are protecting their head from the stupid things other people do - like opening a car door
or pulling out in front of them - or your buddy unlocking your front skewer. that way it isn't about them crashing.
Reminding that the probability of getting injured is small, but there.

the street guys do it so they will be recognized - remember the football players taking off their helmet - upped their marketability.
 

stb222

Love Drunk
Jerk Squad
the street guys do it so they will be recognized
lol, thats a good one, basically has nothing to do with other than they think they dont need it

skating is similar, widely accepted to no wear a helmet

1. Ed Templeton has suffered six concussions. Five of those have come since he broke his neck in the summer of ’00. After his last concussion, earlier this year, Ed consulted a specialist to make sure he was not at risk of causing permanent damage. For liability reasons, NHL players are barred from their league after three documented concussions. Ed continues to skate contests without a helmet, although he admits, “I’ve been a lot more cautious. I’m way more of a puss now.”

FWIW, pro-tec style helmets aren't particularly good at preventing concussions or getting knocked out, they are more so designed that you don't crack your skull. One of the guys I use to ride with was only ever knocked out while wearing a helmet. Now I am sure some of that was getting more rad because of said helmet, but it was always a running joke. That being said, there are newer helmet designs for multi impact helmets that Im sure are better.
 

iman29

Well-Known Member
Wow I am a little behind on all the replies to my frown but I like the healthy discussion. I guess since I am really a roadie and a wanna be MTBkr I don’t see why you would event NOT wear a helmet. I have taught all my kids from early on they must wear one. My youngest had all his friends show up at my house without one but he wears it no problem and doesn’t care about being cool or not , just doesn’t want to be brain damaged.

My view may be extreme but I have been witness to many times where a helmet has pretty much saved the persons life or prevented much more serious injury.

So seeing those kids in the park the other day without them on just triggered my Dad response mostly but I agree it’s on the parents to teach it as acceptable.
 

Patrick

Overthinking the draft from the basement already
Staff member
lol, thats a good one, basically has nothing to do with other than they think they dont need it

skating is similar, widely accepted to no wear a helmet

1. Ed Templeton has suffered six concussions. Five of those have come since he broke his neck in the summer of ’00. After his last concussion, earlier this year, Ed consulted a specialist to make sure he was not at risk of causing permanent damage. For liability reasons, NHL players are barred from their league after three documented concussions. Ed continues to skate contests without a helmet, although he admits, “I’ve been a lot more cautious. I’m way more of a puss now.”

FWIW, pro-tec style helmets aren't particularly good at preventing concussions or getting knocked out, they are more so designed that you don't crack your skull. One of the guys I use to ride with was only ever knocked out while wearing a helmet. Now I am sure some of that was getting more rad because of said helmet, but it was always a running joke. That being said, there are newer helmet designs for multi impact helmets that Im sure are better.

that's what they say anyway. it isn't cool, and you need to be recognized. i'll stand by it.
 

Norm

Mayor McCheese
Team MTBNJ Halter's
When the website to submit an IT Ticket at work is either broken itself, or just too complicated for me (a 30-something engineer) to figure out. Haven't figured out which yet but either way it's comical. Maybe this should go in the smile thread instead...

What org do you work for and what tool do they use?
 

gmb3

JORBA: Sourlands
JORBA.ORG
What org do you work for and what tool do they use?
Macy's and they recently switched to "ITXpress by ServiceNow". All i was trying to do was get our offshore team to run a big query of data for me. After i clicked something on the homepage it took me to a page with 2 buttons: "I need something" (which is basically for requesting hardware/software) and "something is broken" (for logging outages/incidents). So while in and of itself the 2-button format is easy, which button would you guess is for requesting a query of data? Apparently "Something is broken" is the place (so intuitive). And even then the dropdown options for the ticket had nothing to do with what i needed but someone just told me "pick whatever for the mandatory fields, then type everything in the comment box and they'll read it and figure it out". So user-friendly
 

stb222

Love Drunk
Jerk Squad
What org do you work for and what tool do they use?
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Patrick

Overthinking the draft from the basement already
Staff member
We can't have the users accessing the data...

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the whole data access model needs to be changed.
 

Norm

Mayor McCheese
Team MTBNJ Halter's
Macy's and they recently switched to "ITXpress by ServiceNow". All i was trying to do was get our offshore team to run a big query of data for me. After i clicked something on the homepage it took me to a page with 2 buttons: "I need something" (which is basically for requesting hardware/software) and "something is broken" (for logging outages/incidents). So while in and of itself the 2-button format is easy, which button would you guess is for requesting a query of data? Apparently "Something is broken" is the place (so intuitive). And even then the dropdown options for the ticket had nothing to do with what i needed but someone just told me "pick whatever for the mandatory fields, then type everything in the comment box and they'll read it and figure it out". So user-friendly

I see this all the time. You got dumped into the service portal and the company does not understand the ITIL process at all. A lot of orgs classify everything as an Incident which is idiotic if you ask me. I work a lot with SN and have done a lot of portal projects in my 10+ years in this space. I have yet to see 1 that doesn't suck. Portals never work as designed.
 

Juggernaut

Master of the Metaphor
Macy's and they recently switched to "ITXpress by ServiceNow". All i was trying to do was get our offshore team to run a big query of data for me. After i clicked something on the homepage it took me to a page with 2 buttons: "I need something" (which is basically for requesting hardware/software) and "something is broken" (for logging outages/incidents). So while in and of itself the 2-button format is easy, which button would you guess is for requesting a query of data? Apparently "Something is broken" is the place (so intuitive). And even then the dropdown options for the ticket had nothing to do with what i needed but someone just told me "pick whatever for the mandatory fields, then type everything in the comment box and they'll read it and figure it out". So user-friendly

We recently migrated over from Remedy to ServiceNow. They all suck.... but it is what it is.:dead:
 

Juggernaut

Master of the Metaphor
Portals never work as designed.

In my experience it’s less about how they’re designed and more about forcing a square peg into a round hole.

Organizations rarely know how or why things actually work so they just run with what they (wrongly) believe reality to be.
 

serviceguy

Well-Known Member
Macy's and they recently switched to "ITXpress by ServiceNow". All i was trying to do was get our offshore team to run a big query of data for me. After i clicked something on the homepage it took me to a page with 2 buttons: "I need something" (which is basically for requesting hardware/software) and "something is broken" (for logging outages/incidents). So while in and of itself the 2-button format is easy, which button would you guess is for requesting a query of data? Apparently "Something is broken" is the place (so intuitive). And even then the dropdown options for the ticket had nothing to do with what i needed but someone just told me "pick whatever for the mandatory fields, then type everything in the comment box and they'll read it and figure it out". So user-friendly

Classic example of the process being 'dumbed down' by dumb people, in this case dumb meaning that they have no clue about the process.
 

Norm

Mayor McCheese
Team MTBNJ Halter's
Classic example of the process being 'dumbed down' by dumb people, in this case dumb meaning that they have no clue about the process.

Large orgs are extremely complex and most users are lazy and frankly idiotic. It's a bad combination and to blame the tool is not really fair IMO.

@Juggernaut ServiceNow is 100x better than Remedy it's just that usually the implementation partner is garbage. If your fridge delivery man dropped it at your house from a helicopter at 3000' up, is it a fridge problem or a delivery problem?
 
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