Ned Overrend Once Said...

Norm

Mayor McCheese
Team MTBNJ Halter's
The defining statment of Norm's little adventure was "Yeah, I can see out of my left eye now, but I gotta be honest...I have no idea where we started or where we're going."
The rest of the story after I take a shower...:popcorn:

The weird thing is that my memory starts again from this point. It was like there was a right-left brain disconnect, and my answering questions was totally out of my subconsciousness. I remember things coming back at that point, and saying something to the effect of not remembering where we started or were going. I also seem to remember a feeling of satisfaction at being able to assess the situation and deem that information important to relay.

I feel more or less fine. I have a slight headache which will probably not go away for a bit. Aside from that my neck is mostly sore now. I guess my head got smacked around a bit because all the tendons/muscles in my neck are stiffening up.

I talked to Mike and he said I was out for only 10-15 seconds, much less than the 5 minute danger period. I don't have any residual amnesia, it was a 1 and done thing, and I'm not spacing out and acting goofy (any more than normal). Those are the 3 signs that I should go see a doctor. It's now been over 8 hours. I'm pretty sure I'm out of the woods at this point, both literally and figuratively.
 

Norm

Mayor McCheese
Team MTBNJ Halter's
Here's the former helmet part of the helmet-cam. This totally sucks because I got this for free when Rob found it on a ride earlier this year. Plus the camera mount is on it. This is the first helmet I've ever toasted.

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NJ-XC-Justin

KY-DH-Freddy
Have you ever descended a slope that you didn’t have enough brakes for? That was the type of slope that we were descending today. I was riding along side Norm. He was on the inside line (very tech). I was on the outside line. I saw Norm approaching a nasty rock garden followed by a drop. He had some speed (maybe a bit too much). He cleared the rock garden, but carried too much momentum over the drop and performed one of the most classic examples of OTB. I actually was able to see him sailing through the air 4 ft. off the ground and land in the only soft loom on the trail. He landed totally square on his “grill”. I think it happened so quickly that he wasn’t able to fight the fall. If he fought the fall, though, I think it may have led to more serious injuries. Upon impact we all stopped and rushed to his aid and when we got to him, his mouth was half full of Jefferson Twp. dirt and the left side of his face was swollen and not looking good. Woody quickly assessed the situation and called 911 because Norm was basically unconscious at this point. I rushed ahead to catch up to Bill who was unaware of what had happened. I found myself at the base of the trail on a two -lane road. Shortly thereafter, crossed paths with the local police. The EMT’s weren’t far behind. By the time we figured out the best way to get back up to Norm, Woody and the gang were able to assist him down the trail. When I met up with everyone, Norm was already being attended to by the EMT’s. They patched him up. In the meantime, the local police slapped Bill with numerous trespassing violations. I suck at conclusions. Needless to say, it was an awesome day and thanks to Norm, Bill, Woody, Chris, Utah, and Fogerson for making this an epic adventure.

thanks for the writeup mike. did one of you really get trespassing tickets?
 

woody

Well-Known Member
The way I saw it...

It went something like this...
Bombing down a steep, rocky washed-out old fireroad, Bill leading at a ridiculous pace and the rest of us doing our best to keep up. Norm right behind Bill. Me about 50 yards behind them, about 50 ft higher than them, around a curve. Trees are bare, so I've got a good squirrels-eye view of them down there at my 10 o'clock. Suddenly I see Norm flying through the air with his back tire headed skyward, Norm still on the bike in riding position. (maybe he still thinks he can ride it out? or has it been so long since he's crashed that he's forgotten how to do it?!) Looks to me like his hands are still on the bars when his front tire and then his face hits the ground, and then he slides down face first and comes to a stop with his bike on top of his legs. He doesn't get up right away which is the first Bad Sign. By the time I catch up with him and ditch my bike, he's still not budged. I try talking to him and asking him what hurts and there's nobody home. At first, it looks like any part of his upper body could be broken. Arms are both pinned under his body at awkward, busted-looking angles. Face is pushed into the dirt.
We are on a pretty steep descent, and while he is on a relatively smooth boulder-free patch of dirt, it is still pitched at a pretty steep angle, so his head is about about 12" lower in elevation than his feet. Very uncomfortable looking. But as we all know, you're not supposed to move an injured person, and it is clear at this point that he is in that category. I pick his bike up off his legs and set it at the side of the trail. And then he starts to mumble and move his head a tiny bit. And I try to talk to him again and I hear him mumble something like "never gonna bluh again". Never gonna ride again? Is he telling me he's paralyzed?! So I get out the phone and dial 911. While I'm waiting for an answer, Norm starts to wake up, it's clear that he's uncomfortable, and slowly trying to reposition himself, but his arms are still pinned under him and he only manages to turn a little onto his side, which he evidently decides is even more uncomfortable, so he returns to his original flat-on-his-belly postion. Then he starts pushing dirt out of his mouth with his tongue. (Norm, where are your manners!?) Nobody's picking up my call, so I look down at my phone and I see that I didn't press send. Then Norm really starts to come to and decides he wants to sit up, which I discourage him from doing, but he starts to do it anyway, so I close the phone and Chris & I steady him while he slowly rolls over and up onto his ass under his own power. Good Sign. There's a very pronounced bump on his temple, like a super ball lodged under the skin. I ask him his name. "Norm" (slurred). A few other questions followed by slow, slurred responses and spitting dirt out of his mouth. I ask him what hurts. "Nothin...but I can't see out uh my left eye." Bad Sign. I dial 911 again, and this time I get thru. I give the guy the low-down and attempt to tell him where we are using Joe's Garmin. That in itself is a project because the guy doesn't understand the format that I'm giving him the coordinates in and he keeps cutting me off as I get two or three digits into it. "Is that a plus or a minus?" "Is that decimal format?" So I tell him to just write it down the way I'm saying it and then go figure out what format its in. Apparently he is able to do something with that information because he figures out which local emergency dispatcher he needs to transfer me to, which he does.
After getting up to speed on the situation, this lady tells me that Norm should be laying on his back with his head supported, in case he has a neck injury. So I tell Norm that he should lay down, which he either doesn't understand or doesn't want to do because he doesn't do it. She asks us where we are, and again with the GPS coordinates. Perhaps this lady doesn't realize that I have just given her our exact pin-point location, or she can't figure out what to do with that info, because she proceed to ask lots of other questions about our location like "where did you park your cars?", to which I answer "nowhere near here!".
Finally, with Joe's thorough knowledge of the area, we are able to give them the names of the road and the lake down below us, along with the information that we had somebody down at the road to flag them down. Now we can finally get back to the matter at hand...Norm. She asks me if he's laying down with his neck supported. I tell her "No." She tells me that he should be. "Tell him that youself." And I hand the phone to Norm. She apparently asked him his age, because he responded "uhhhh...38". I'm not sure what else she says to him, but he pulls the phone away from his mouth and says to me "The paramedics are coming?" To which I respond "If you didn't gather that by now, it's a good thing they're coming." All the while, he keeps rolling his head around checking range of motion and I'm cringing because I imagine that's that last thing he should be doing if he's got a potential neck injury. She must have a pretty convincing arguement for him, because he eventually hands the phone back to me and he lays down on his back with his head on a Camelback. The lady tells me that the police have located our guys down at the road (Bill and Mike), and presumably that we are now in good hands, so we don't need to stay on the line, and we hang up.
And Norm promptly sits back up. "The gound is too cold." "The fog is starting to clear." And he must be feeling considerably better because he slowly stands up and starts walking around unsteadily. And then sits back down. And then back up a few minutes later. This time he is pretty steady on his feet. I ask him if his left eye is doing any better. To which he responds: "Yeah, I can see out of my left eye now, but I gotta be honest...I have no idea where we started or where we're going." I'm fascinated by this, and I proceed to ask him all sorts of questions in an attempt to figure out exactly where his memory has crapped out. He doesn't remember going to Tim's house to meet with Chris. He doesn't remember meeting at Bills house to start the ride. He does remember going to bed last night, and he remembers getting up at 4:44 this morning. So he's missing somewhere around 3-5 hours of his short-term memory. That's just wild to me! And a little scary.
Norm walks over to his bike and declares that we should start heading down...on foot. As we're walking down, Norm's memory starts to return, first recalling that Dave had called out sick on this ride. Then going to Tim's place first thing this morning. And on forward in time. Eventually, we get down to somebody's back yard and we cut through to the street where the ambulance and police and fire department are waiting. After some questioning and icing his face down and cleaning his wounds (and photo session), I'm surprised to find out that he wants to pedal a few miles down the road to Tim's place, and that the EMS folks were not trying to talk him out of it. And we pedal away.
I think I finally figured out what "never gonna bluh again" means..."Never gonna follow Bill again!"
 

Norm

Mayor McCheese
Team MTBNJ Halter's
Holy crap Woody - that was an awesome writeup. Thanks!

So now that I read that I actually remember almost all of that. I think the first thing I remember was you guys trying to give the GPS coordinates to the people on the phone.

I suck as a patient huh? This made me LOL several times.
 

creeker_1

New Member
Don't know ya, but glad to hear you are feeling better. It is amazing how much more conifdently you can ride knowing you will get the help you need when something goes bad. Pays to have a strong support group and good friends in these situations. Get well soon.

Eric
 

JeffSpicoli

Member
I've had my share of times with hours of memory loss; but that was due to unfortunate times overseas in the Corps. Sucks getting hurt doing something you love. Hope you get better soon dude..:eek:
 

UtahJoe

Team Workhorse
Team MTBNJ Halter's
Norm, my "fiance'" said that its fine if you have a beer, but you shouldnt be having an all night bender. :) I didnt get to see the actual crash as I tried to hang back since it was getting a little hard to control the speed on that hill. But when I came around the corner, you looked like a rag doll. Glad that you only got a bump on your head. That could have been much worse. Way to tough it out and finish the ride.

Good times today guys. Sorry I was kinda slow. I didnt realize how much endurance I have lost in this past 6 weeks of downtime. Really has me motivated to get my ass back in gear and get my speed back.
 

Fogerson

Former Resident Nerd
I think I finally figured out what "never gonna bluh again" means..."Never gonna follow Bill again!"

This cracks my ass up...well done Norm.

Awesome writeup Woody.

The difficulty in communicating your position to 911 operators concerns me. It makes me wonder what the E911 capability/accuracy is up here.

I ride at MDR by myself quite often. I've always thought that if I "pulled a Norm", as long as I could push those three buttons on my phone, I'd be locatable...maybe not...
 

gtluke

The Moped
I've had to call 911 3 times in my life. Each time was scarier and less assuring than the next. It's actually why I now own a gun. 911 scares me.

I'm glad you're okay Norm!
 

elzoller

El Guac-Oh
that would have not happened on the little wheelz :rolleyes:

Glad to hear you made it out OK after all and without a serious injury.
 

UtahJoe

Team Workhorse
Team MTBNJ Halter's
Woody would have to confirm this since he was on the phone with them and I was talking to Norm and Chris at the same time. Woody, did they not know where we were until I mentioned how we were about longwood lake? So the GPS coords were useless?
 

bonefishjake

Strong like bull, smart like tractor
Team MTBNJ Halter's
I think I finally figured out what "never gonna bluh again" means..."Never gonna follow Bill again!"

ya know, it's funny, i was telling norm before that bill gave me this advice about 15 years ago. i've tried very hard not to follow him in the woods but sometimes, well, ya just put the red knobs in the corner and go.

again norm, glad you're ok.
 
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