Listed inaccuracies in McCain's speech

Wazu

New Member
Yeah Steve...yer right..............shoulda never posted in Politics LMAO. It's all good though. I respect everyone's opinion and may the best team win. Politics is something best discussed in person anyway because of it's inheret complexities. It's funny cause we all act like we know what's going on and the reality is whatever the network news wants us to think is what we think. I don't fully believe anything I see on nbc or fox because of bias slants. What I do know something about is the constitution and I'd like the country to go back to the document that started it all. Our fore fathers are turning in their graves seeing the way the citizens are taxed, how huge the government has become and how we have sent our businesses overseas. I hope we get a president who knows how to compromise and reach out over party lines. Someone who can rally the congress and get things done like Regan was able to do. I'm done with politics but I'm back to riding so I'll be posting elsewhere. Thanks for the welcome back Norm Steve and Jakester. :)
 

MTB Aussie

Member
Main reason to vote McCain. 9/11/2001

People forget this day too quickly. It's burned in my brain from being an eye witness. And don't think they aren't planning their next move, they are patient and cunning and don't care about the sanctity of life or who sits in the white house or whether you have a subprime mortgage problem.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/14754701/

BTW, I think all pols suck, the current republican ticket just sucks less when it comes to our national interest.
 

gtluke

The Moped
i can't wait for the election. nothing is greater than watching all the babies cry that the election was stolen or the people were tricked. it never occurs to them that socialism is a failed policy and that america was founded on capitalism.
i almost feel bad for the democrats. they can not come up with a single candidate that even remotely resembles the qualifications to be president. i mean have you looked at obama's practical resume? i wouldn't want that guy running a starbucks, let alone a country. he has zero experience running anything.

this is the first time since i've been old enough to vote where i'm FOR a candidate instead of against the other. mccain exemplifies the perfect presidential resume. plus he's an old school republican maverick, and NOT a neocon.
it is VERY hard to find people who do not like and respect mccain, what he's done in his life and what he believes in and who he befriends.

obama is buddies with william ayers the terrorist and that scary anti-american racist reverend wright. and he's got no intent on continuing the legacy our founding fathers gave to us.
 

gtluke

The Moped
oh and since this is a mountain bike board.
why don't you guys come to the most democratic controlled county in our state; essex county and try to ride your bike.
its AGAINST THE LAW to ride a bike on any county property. every day i have to drive from essex county to republican morris county to ride my bicycle. yeah, it gets old and you get angry at these people real quick.
 

MixMastaMM

Team Bulldog Rider
Little more of the local spin, who wanted to close state parks earlier this year?

Steal from the "rich" give to the poor. If you don't have enough "rich" to steal from, redefine "rich".
 

NJ-XC-Justin

KY-DH-Freddy
For a guy who advertises for Factcheck.com, the facts you point out are wrong. She doesn't want teachers to teach creationism she wants the teachers to discuss it with students to let them come up with there own opinion.
Palin wants creationism taught alongside evolution, which for anyone with a mind that thinks, is a 200-year step backwards. Recently, when questioned, Palin eased up from her original comments of "I am a proponent of teaching both" to saying, "I don't think there should be a prohibition against debate if it comes up in class. [Creationism] doesn't have to be part of the curriculum."

I research prior to saying or writing anything, so please don't make blanket statements that my points are wrong. If any one thing I've said is incorrect, I'd like to hear it.
 

Fogerson

Former Resident Nerd
Palin wants creationism taught alongside evolution, which for anyone with a mind that thinks, is a 200-year step backwards. Recently, when questioned, Palin eased up from her original comments of "I am a proponent of teaching both" to saying, "I don't think there should be a prohibition against debate if it comes up in class. [Creationism] doesn't have to be part of the curriculum."

I research prior to saying or writing anything, so please don't make blanket statements that my points are wrong. If any one thing I've said is incorrect, I'd like to hear it.

Debating creationism vs evolution is like debating whether or not water is made up of two hydrogen atoms and one oxygen atom...

Teaching creationism in school isn't a 200 year step backwards, it is a tragedy. What would be next, teaching kids that a stork brings babies vs how the reproductive system works?

Some folks need to abandon the bias that has been programmed into them and read some facts.
 

Shaggz

A strong 7
I have been restraining myself from posting in this thread. My political orientation is no secret, however, I am still reeling form McCain's VP choice. This just floors me:

"Pray for our military men and women who are striving to do what is right. Also, for this country, that our leaders, our national leaders, are sending [U.S. soldiers] out on a task that is from God," she exhorted the congregants. "That's what we have to make sure that we're praying for, that there is a plan and that that plan is God's plan."

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/09/02/palins-church-may-have-sh_n_123205.html

I will reserve judgment until after the debates.
 

gtluke

The Moped
seriously, if you use huffingtonpost as a source of any of your arguments nobody is going to take you seriously.
its like me quoting something rush limbaugh recently said and asking you to respond to it.

and don't forget, my minor in anthropology is an ART, not a science. evolution can track us back only so far, and then we are still completely blank as to why there is anything at all.

i mean i fully believe in evolution but i understand why some people want to believe in the bible. they sleep a lot better than i do.
 

elzoller

El Guac-Oh
uh oh....

can_of_worms_ahead.jpg
 

Shaggz

A strong 7
I originally saw the video clip on both Fox & CNN cable news. I have no idea what Huffington is, it is the first site I found when I did a Google search. Do any of these sources meet your approval?

AOL:
http://news.aol.com/political-machine/2008/09/02/sarah-palin-iraq-war-gods-plan/

You tube:
http://www.mtbnj.com/forum/newreply.php?do=newreply&noquote=1&p=90482

Yahoo:
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080903/ap_on_el_pr/cvn_palin_iraq_war

Beltwayblips:
http://beltwayblips.com/video/sarah_palin_war_in_iraq_is_god_s_plan/

Maybe if you took the time to watch the clip, you would see and hear that she makes the comments about the war in Iraq God's plan.
 
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clarkenstein

JORBA Board Member/Chapter Leader
JORBA.ORG
maybe i should just stay out of this, but...

i guess i just don't understand why i can go in the supermarket and have a choice of over 50+ cereals, or 15+ different types of peanut butter, yet when it comes to the president of the united states, i only get two choices. hell, i have more 29er tire choices than president.

one argument i'm tired of is the now old argument that republicans will keep us 'safer' while democrats will just let every terrorist into the country to kill us. seriously... please. i was in NYC on 9/11 too. 9/11 is an event far beyond any political party's attempt to spin it. no one owns 9/11 - and no one owns the ability to keep us 'safe'. hell, if anyone in our gov't read huntington's 'clash of the civilizations' they may have actually taken some of these documented threats seriously... who knows. but no political party came to the rescue - people did.

that being said, there are two issues that are on my mind, besides a bunch of others.

one is that our nation is in debt - tremendous debt. we need to pay it off to get our economy stronger. if we don't pay the debt off, we're screwed if other nations start dumping our securities because they view our securities, which are backed by our weak economy, as impaired. our current debt-based economy just enables our spending habits as a nation. it is not sustainable.

the dollar will be worth crap in comparison to what it is already valued at if the securities start getting dropped by other nations. debt and its subsequent payment only takes common sense to deal with - when you spend tremendous amounts of money on credit, you have to pay it off. for those that don't want to raise taxes, i agree with you. for those that don't want government waste, i agree with you. problem is, we gotta pay off this debt NOW... we can't continue to be owned outright by outside investors (i.e. other gov'ts). and its gonna take us cutting back on our 'latte factor' as a nation and dishing out a little bit more as a group to get us out of this hole we are in. getting out of debt will help our economy. weak dollars don't always help the economy, and right now, the weak dollar is hurting us. let's actually pay for these wars we are in if we are going to continue them.

number 2: since we're on a bike site, let's talk the environment since we all care about it in one way or another... i sometimes don't even know where to begin. all i know is i want clean air and clean water for at least myself, my wife, and my son to enjoy for his life and his kids' lives. we all have an impact on this planet, and to deny that just doesn't make sense to me. what's the thing running around the news lately - i think its called fracking for oil? just doesn't make sense to drop waste in what we drink. stuff like this needs regulation - and certain industries have proven they won't regulate themselves. love it or hate it, regulation is necessary, and we all have to pay for it. most of us bitch about a 2 foot wide strip of dirt that runs through the woods being ridden when it's wet... we yell about mud, yet how can you not be concerned about clean water or clean air? heck, look at what happened in ringwood with ford motor co... the EPA got in there and made ford clean it up, and it still isn't even totally 'clean'. our tax dollars helped out a park we are all concerned with - "big gov't" or not - it worked and it's not as half as polluted as it would have been left without regulation.

i guess i'm saying, i hate taxes, but i'm willing to pay for some stuff that may not work great, but its better than nothing.

just thinking about this stuff has me lean towards O versus M right now... either way, i know i'm not an L or Q... but we have a lot of time left. i'd like to see some debates (mind you, most likely filled with false promises - just watch with factcheck.org at the ready... if that site is even correct).
 

gtluke

The Moped
hmm
vp nomine tries to fire a guy who tasered her 11 year old nephew and threatened to kill her father
or
presidential nomine is friends with a admitted terrorist who bombed the capital building

which one do you think the media will run with?
:roll:
 

sixseven

New Member
hmm
vp nomine tries to fire a guy who tasered her 11 year old nephew and threatened to kill her father
or
presidential nomine is friends with a admitted terrorist who bombed the capital building

which one do you think the media will run with?
:roll:

It's not illegal to be friends with a 'terrorist'. Interesting that the same 'terrorist' 30 years ago was a considered a 'radical'.

In this case it happens to be the justice system that determined the facts.

Abuse of power comes as no surprise.
 

gtluke

The Moped
its also illegal to tasers an 11 year old and drink while driving your cop car.

i like how you can reason bombing the capital building by changing the word terrorist to radical.

in this case ayes openly admits to being a terrorist.
 

sixseven

New Member
It was the Pentagon, not the Capitol building. Check your facts.
Also it's 'nominee' not 'nomine'.
Ayers was one of many radicals during that time period where there was a movement against government. Some of them chose radical measures that would now be considered 'terror', but then again so would the founding of this country if there was a power greater than the people.

Good for him if that's what he wants to call his actions or himself. It's a free country after all.

A whacko cop in Alaska? Who give's a fuck about him? What? He was so badass that they had to call the Gov?
 

gtluke

The Moped
ayers admited to bombing the capitol in 1971, stop reading dailykos
check wikipedia and ayers own book.

holy crap i can't spell, my points must be invalid then.

i can't wait to live in the world you live in where it's okay to bomb buildings and taser 11 year olds. all you have to do is call yourself a radical and teenagers will put your face on a shirt and call it a revolution.
 

sixseven

New Member
ayers admited to bombing the capitol in 1971, stop reading dailykos
check wikipedia and ayers own book.

holy crap i can't spell, my points must be invalid then.

i can't wait to live in the world you live in where it's okay to bomb buildings and taser 11 year olds. all you have to do is call yourself a radical and teenagers will put your face on a shirt and call it a revolution.

Reading books by terrorists? I would be careful, it's probably considered illegal under the Patriot Act.
I really don't care about spelling but if you are as passionate about this stuff as you seem to be, correct spelling would make your points stronger. Really it's not personal, its just that if you are reading all these books you reference, then your writing skills cant be that far behind. Especially with spellcheck technology.

Read about the American Revolution, the Civil War...history is ugly and there are bombs a plenty, many targeted at 'government' buildings and innocent civilians which allowed you and I to be here wasting our Friday night.
I don't condone war or bombing buildings. I don't condone 'terrorism'. But I know that in the past 8 years your freedom, your rights and your future have been slowly chipped away. Mine too. For some this safety or sacrifice is a radical idea, for me it is not. I do condone freedom of thought above all, and where that leads one is their choice and responsibility.

I have no idea what dailykos is. I did check Wikipedia. I have met 11 year olds that I considered Tasing. T shirt culture is the worst, but no worse than sweat pant wearing obese shoppers making squeaky sounds on the mall floor with their brand new white sneakers that look like baby shoes.

Want to go for a ride one day?:)
 
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