Jungle Habitat is back in H2H in 2022

Patrick

Overthinking the draft from the basement already
Staff member
Pretty sure Pats credibility is on solid footing with the hundreds, if not thousands, of hours he has volunteered for with TM and the Jorba.org site. He had proven he cares more than most by his actions. I’m sure he would not risk that for the small amount of money he is making from helping out at some races.

Thanks Kirt.

I was going to edit Kev's response until i read this.....;)
 

stb222

Love Drunk
Jerk Squad
Pretty sure Pats credibility is on solid footing with the hundreds, if not thousands, of hours he has volunteered for with TM and the Jorba.org site. He had proven he cares more than most by his actions. I’m sure he would not risk that for the small amount of money he is making from helping out at some races.
I stand correctly, in reality I am just jealous he getting paid for stuff we are all doing for free.
 

Patrick

Overthinking the draft from the basement already
Staff member
I'm paid as the assistant race director. Same pay if it takes 2 days on site or 4. I do a lot more than tamp ruts.

We aren't intentionally running races to lose money?
 

rick81721

Lothar
I'm paid as the assistant race director. Same pay if it takes 2 days on site or 4. I do a lot more than tamp ruts.

We aren't intentionally running races to lose money?

People actually run small amateur races to make money? Seriously??
 

JDurk

Well-Known Member
People actually run small amateur races to make money? Seriously??
In the case of the MASS mtb race I'm involved with, at least to cover expenses. Anything above and beyond is donated (NJICL) or kept for next year's race expenses. Not too many grassroots promoters are in it to make a big profit.
 

rick81721

Lothar
In the case of the MASS mtb race I'm involved with, at least to cover expenses. Anything above and beyond is donated (NJICL) or kept for next year's race expenses. Not too many grassroots promoters are in it to make a big profit.

That makes sense. It seems unfathomable that someone would run a race to make money, destroy the trails in the process and then leave it to Jorba to fix them.

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xc62701

Well-Known Member
In my very short experience as a promoter - 3 events - it’s like gambling. Put money out of pocket to secure venues and what not, and then hope like hell that people actually show up so you don’t lose all of your money. If there is a smidge of profit, that’s gets put into next years event to make it better, take a little stress off the next one, and then gamble and do it all over again for the next event. Making money was never a goal. Trying not to end up with a huge bill you can’t cover is the goal. Breaking even is a huge win! It’s all about the love of the sport and giving back locally.
 

serviceguy

Well-Known Member
We use events as an excuse to come together as a team and cover the team expenses. Well, that’s assuming we have enough to cover my $500,000 yearly salary.
Looks like you need an agent, you should be getting at least $1M.
 

Steve Vai

Endurance Guy: Tolerates most of us.
I've promoted a few races with varying degrees of Profitability. Unfortunately I started by taking over the Freedom Tour from High Gear, which was absurdly profitable. That turned into a less profitable CX race, and then a profitable Fat Bike Race. It's a crap shoot. You never know what's gonna happen. Safest bet is to put on a $150 Gravel Ride, it'll sell out in 5 minutes and no one cares if dirt roads are wet.
 

stb222

Love Drunk
Jerk Squad
I've promoted a few races with varying degrees of Profitability. Unfortunately I started by taking over the Freedom Tour from High Gear, which was absurdly profitable. That turned into a less profitable CX race, and then a profitable Fat Bike Race. It's a crap shoot. You never know what's gonna happen. Safest bet is to put on a $150 Gravel Ride, it'll sell out in 5 minutes and no one cares if dirt roads are wet.
Aside from the other bs in this thread, while I understand there are reasons to put on a race outside of making money, but it would seem absurd to promote a race if you are going to lose money
 

Steve Vai

Endurance Guy: Tolerates most of us.
Aside from the other bs in this thread, while I understand there are reasons to put on a race outside of making money, but it would seem absurd to promote a race if you are going to lose money

I think you think you're going to not lose money, so you do it. Then you lose money and don't do it again. Racing in general is seeing a decline competing against experience driven events. Rides like Unpaved are now almost $1,000 with travel expenses so that doesn't leave a lot in most people's budget to do much else. I'm hoping the gravel bubble pops and the smaller grassroots events pick back up because a lot of races I really love have gone away.
 

jeffstick

JORBA: Waywayanda
JORBA.ORG
Some years are better than others. If you budget correctly you can usually come away not losing any money. I guess everyone bases their profit expectations differently. It's really not the market right now to make any real money on a mountain bike race. I am with Jim in that the gravel stuff is real expensive and i think in most cases you don't even get a marked course but a course on a gpx file. There are still a few cost effective gravel events such as the Rothrock Grit Series. The women of the Happy Valley Club that put that on still provide what i would consider an inexpensive event. Marked course, t-shirt for early reg, food and beer. The event coming up in June is $80. I consider that a bargain in this day and age. But then again that is the difference in promoters doing this for a profit/living and those that do it as a way to promote cycling. Our events we think have always been pretty inexpensive and we do it to put on a difficult, fun event.
 
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