It's 2025 Is an Emtb in your near future?

Is an Emtb in your near future?

  • Yes

    Votes: 9 8.3%
  • No

    Votes: 45 41.7%
  • Maybe

    Votes: 19 17.6%
  • Never

    Votes: 9 8.3%
  • Already own one

    Votes: 26 24.1%

  • Total voters
    108
I'll tell you how to get class 3 ebikes off the trails, add 2 foot log overs every 100 feet. Nothing is worse than lifting your heavy bike over stuff, they will go somewhere else.
E-Bikes aren't allowed on the trails near me. I was pointing out on a ride that ended with a huge water crossing that's barely manageable with a 30lb bike that maybe it's the benefit of people riding E-Bikes they're not allowed. I'd hate to hit that water crossing tired out and then have to manage it with a 50lb bike.
 
Do park police actually get out of there vehicle? Serious question.
My experience maybe different.
The only time I have ever seen any type of enforcement going on was when Hartshorne added signs that you must walk your bike for the 100 feet down by the Navesink parking lot. He was sitting on the picnic table just warning everyone that at some point in the future they will be enforcing this with a ticket. He said he wasn't looking forward to those confrontations.

Now, many years later, those signs go mostly ignored.
 
If you can post a pic of Class 1 sticker that would be helpful.

And anyone else that owns an Ebike that has a sticker with classification, please post up. This information will be helpful in allowing Park Rangers to identify classes of Ebikes. Thx
I'm confused about the classes. I thought the Class 1 and 3 ebikes are the pedal assist only ebikes and only differ in max speed, with Class 1 being 20 MPH and Class 3 being 28 MPH max. The Class 2 ebikes may have pedals but also have a throttle, so are not strictly pedal assist. Those are the ones you want to keep off the single track.

My Rise (Class 1, 20 MPH max speed) never had a sticker. My Canyon Grail ebike (Class 3, 28 MPH max speed) had a sticker but it is long gone. I don't remember noticing when it wore off but there is no sign of it now. I do have an old picture from new bike day:

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I'm confused about the classes. I thought the Class 1 and 3 ebikes are the pedal assist only ebikes and only differ in max speed, with Class 1 being 20 MPH and Class 3 being 28 MPH max. The Class 2 ebikes may have pedals but also have a throttle, so are not strictly pedal assist. Those are the ones you want to keep off the single track.

My Rise (Class 1, 20 MPH max speed) never had a sticker. My Canyon Grail ebike (Class 3, 28 MPH max speed) had a sticker but it is long gone. I don't remember noticing when it wore off but there is no sign of it now. I do have an old picture from new bike day:

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Class 1 & Class 2 Ebikes are allowed in a lot of parks on trails. Class 3 is not permitted in a lot of parks, due to the speed of travel.

By law, any Ebike sold after 2019 is supposed to have the classification sticker with wattage and max speed.

These laws are in place, they are not perfect, but it is something. Law enforcement can be taught to look for a classification sticker if they suspect an E-bike is not Class 1 or 2.

Thanks for posting pic Steve.

If anyone else could post a pic of their Ebike sticker it would be helpful.
 
I see that my pedal assist ONLY ebike with 28 mph max speed is classified as a "Motorized Bicycle" by the state of NJ, in the same class as mopeds, etc. Stoopid. It does not matter to them that it is pedal assist only.

Clearly, the 28 mph pedal assist only bikes should not be grouped in with the electric and gas powered throttle bikes that are true motorized bicycles (pedals or not), but that's what they did. They only looked at speed.

Even old people like me can get any bike up to 30 mph or more on the road and approach that speed on some downhill trails. Doesn't have to have a motor. They are all low speed ebikes. Classifying by speed within the category makes no sense, but it's the government, so, yeah. I see from the chart that I can't park my Class 3 ebike on a sidewalk. lol, should I use a parking space on the street? I'm glad the label fell off. Most won't even know it's an ebike.

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https://njbikeped.org/micromobility/

A Surron doesn't even fit into the Type 1, 2, 3 classification scheme, so no label required. Not allowed on SP trails but if the rangers are just looking for labels maybe they just let that one go? Just exaggerating, Surron should be obvious.

If I get stopped, I guess they'll give me a citation for not having a sticker with max speed and watts on the ebike? lol, this set of laws are an unenforceable rabbit hole.
 
Are ebikes a problem now? Will the problem get worse? Should we even worry about it? Are we pretending it will get worse?

People ride bikes and ebikes for exercise. I am not rolling my ebike unless i know i am getting some fitness benefit out of it.

The troublemakers are the people who just want to rip and cause a ruckus. I see these people riding the wrong way, no helmet, low seat etc. They aren't riding the woods.

The woods and ebikes police themselves. it's not a free ride, things break, you sweat, you need to carry stuff.

The road is a different story but i think keeping any powered bike out of public parks that weighs over 50lbs is a good start.
 
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Not sure what the improvement in function is for this piece of cheap plastic....sure looks pretty tho. And as a bonus easy to drop in the parking lot and lose

I'm glad you are confident that I will ride sometime this year....
 
I see that my pedal assist ONLY ebike with 28 mph max speed is classified as a "Motorized Bicycle" by the state of NJ, in the same class as mopeds, etc. Stoopid. It does not matter to them that it is pedal assist only.

Clearly, the 28 mph pedal assist only bikes should not be grouped in with the electric and gas powered throttle bikes that are true motorized bicycles (pedals or not), but that's what they did. They only looked at speed.

Even old people like me can get any bike up to 30 mph or more on the road and approach that speed on some downhill trails. Doesn't have to have a motor. They are all low speed ebikes. Classifying by speed within the category makes no sense, but it's the government, so, yeah. I see from the chart that I can't park my Class 3 ebike on a sidewalk. lol, should I use a parking space on the street? I'm glad the label fell off. Most won't even know it's an ebike.

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https://njbikeped.org/micromobility/

A Surron doesn't even fit into the Type 1, 2, 3 classification scheme, so no label required. Not allowed on SP trails but if the rangers are just looking for labels maybe they just let that one go? Just exaggerating, Surron should be obvious.

If I get stopped, I guess they'll give me a citation for not having a sticker with max speed and watts on the ebike? lol, this set of laws are an unenforceable rabbit hole.

Which part of "Motorized Bicycle" does not fit with your bicycle that has a motor?

The classification of the up to 20MPH versions being OK makes sense to me. Yes you can go past 20mph on a regular bike but it's not very common, especially any hybrid/mountain bike on road/trails. And the pedal-assist will be very similar above 20MPH as you can just use your legs if you need to go faster. How much time do you actually spend on your bike above 20MPH that isn't on the road shared with cars?

Clearly what they're trying to limit is gas or electric vehicles that can easily travel at the 20MPH+ speed for the majority of their time. This limitation makes sense on any shared bike path, bike lane, etc. What's the real difference between a moped going 30MPH vs an e-bike going 30MPH except you'll hear the moped?
 
Which part of "Motorized Bicycle" does not fit with your bicycle that has a motor?

The classification of the up to 20MPH versions being OK makes sense to me. Yes you can go past 20mph on a regular bike but it's not very common, especially any hybrid/mountain bike on road/trails. And the pedal-assist will be very similar above 20MPH as you can just use your legs if you need to go faster. How much time do you actually spend on your bike above 20MPH that isn't on the road shared with cars?

Clearly what they're trying to limit is gas or electric vehicles that can easily travel at the 20MPH+ speed for the majority of their time. This limitation makes sense on any shared bike path, bike lane, etc. What's the real difference between a moped going 30MPH vs an e-bike going 30MPH except you'll hear the moped?
It's a groad bike. I use it mostly for gravel and road. I'm not overly worried about the trails for that bike. Over 20 mph on a regular bike in the woods might not be very common (or very safe), depending on the trails. Over 20 mph on gravel or road is very common for any bike.

I don't see how these laws accomplish what they want to accomplish, or anything really. They classify low speed bicycles and motorized bicycles and then it's up to local regulations as to where they can be used? Really? Is anyone paying attention to or enforcing these laws? For eMTBs, will the park rangers really be able to keep the motos off the trails with this set of laws? I just think the way they crafted the laws is confusing and ridiculous and will not be enforced. Opinions differ.

Shared bike path, bike lane, etc. often have speed limits, usually 15 mph or less. Even some trail systems have speed limits. How are these limits enforced? If they were enforced, I'm sure that most of the citations issued would be to people on "regular bikes". In the woods or on the roads, bad behavior on bikes is not the bike's fault.
 
Like most things, if there is an incident, someone will be on the wrong side of the law.
 
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