Is it a fad, a group or a club? It's OOS, the thread to rule them all!

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jklett said:
If that's the way it goes, I'm out. I don't want to ever exclude anyone from riding with me. I'm hoping it doesn't go there though because I like this group.
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These are just ideas here but if I were to be a dick... I'll flip this around... why not contribute to what want and volunteer?
 
Its not about excluding anyone from joining a ride, that's not where I'm coming from. It's about those who do join understanding what OOS is about. Abd that seems a bit tough, considering the amount of folks who never read what Paul wrote up in the first place.
 
jklett said:
Wouldn't that create the exclusionary thing that mtbiker87 talked about?
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Paul H said:
Short answer.. yes
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To me the whole point of this discussion is how to avoid that very consequence from happening. All of the few OOS rides I've been involved with I was the dead last to join the group during a break because slow/out of breath, and there was always someone making sure that I wasn't getting lost. That's something some friends of mine would not do for me (yes, I guess I should reconsider how I pick my friends) and what I think it's the very added value of OOS.
 
I think we need a more detailed description of just what volunteering means. Me ? Leading some rides I can do. Already have. Managing Strava or stuff like that? Not sure I'd have the time for that. Folks need to know just what it is t hg ats expected of them.
 
Let's be realistic... all these ideas... are not going to happen if no one does the work

For those that volunteered... they can't do it forever
 
mtbiker87 said:
I think we need a more detailed description of just what volunteering means. Me ? Leading some rides I can do. Already have. Managing Strava or stuff like that? Not sure I'd have the time for that. Folks need to know just what it is t hg ats expected of them.
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Sounds like that's decided by the volunteer. Doesn't sound like the group is telling folks what to do. Decide what works for you and how you can help without burning out.
 
What if you think about how you'd like to run this if help wasn't an issue, think about what roles you'll need filled, then discuss again to see who can do what?
 
I can't really think in unstructured way. I think we need to define a format (we're working on it I think), find out what the format requires in terms of effort (activities, roles and duties associated to each role) and then 'advertise' for members to volunteer in each role, or define a rotation for each member in each role. Otherwise you can't get anymore than a generic 'I'm willing to help'. That's my opinion...
 
mtbiker87 said:
I think a m ou re detailed description of just what volunteering means. Me ? Leading some rides I can do. Already have. Managing Strava or stuff li l.j e that? Not sure I'd have the time for that. Folks need to know just what it is t hg ats expected of them.
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the whole ride lifecycle - someone has to get the who-when coordinated, then the who picks the where and time. then it needs to be announced, and updated. that is if it goes easy, and the person takes their ride coordination seriously. 1 person flipping weekends with another, not a big deal. but when the next level up person has to update the list 3 times a day,
and they are the only person doing it, it is onerous.

i have a solution to that in the form of a shared spreadsheet, where there are multiple people that can update it. reduce the load on any one person there.

then there is being able to contact people, and get their commitment to a weekend.

and this does seem like it needs some legal protection in the form of a waiver. so that has to come up at some later point.
 
I've said this before and strongly believe that this has to be a group effort... not effort of the few.
 
Some of my thoughts:

I just liked how things were last year. The small pack of people we had coming out on our weekend rides (the ride at Nassau, Jungle, Lewis Morris and Sourlands in particular). The way @qclabrat just randomly laid out a list of parks mixing it with Central Jersey and North Jersey parks on the first page. A day or two before that scheduled ride, we'd have a leader/guide. It would get updated on the first page. No Strava group. It was simple and easy (at least for me it was). That's what made me love OOS.
 
If we start talking waivers and spreadsheets...you-er going to see the originals drop out of this. OOS was friends riding bikes. Meeting new people, riding new trails...having fun. This....this is beginning to sound like exactly the stuff I want get away from by ridding my bike in the woods.
 
mtbiker87 said:
I think we need a more detailed description of just what volunteering means. Me ? Leading some rides I can do. Already have. Managing Strava or stuff like that? Not sure I'd have the time for that. Folks need to know just what it is t hg ats expected of them.
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How much time is necessary to post a Strava ride? I've no idea! Can someone explain what does that requires because I have a hunch this maybe a biggie...
 
The legal thing could be a pain I think??? What are the thresholds before we need waivers?
 
To be honest... I don't want mtbnj support... I rather ride with YOU guys... but some of you wanted this to grow and there are benefits there... like Mare... we would have not met her if OOS was not visible. So let's make realistic choices here
 
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