I don’t think any amount of signage will do it. I think it would need to actually be enforced to prevent people from riding it, as in someone from the park stopping users, ticketing or something. Probably not possible?Someone looking for a volunteer project?
6mr badly needs proper trail closed signage, gates, fencing etc. it’s not a good scene
Train wreck sums it up nicely. Unfortunately he has a good size audience in that group and I have to believe many of which are new to the sport and might not know any better. Such a bummer.@pkovo i know exactly who you are talking about. That person is a train wreck and is completely speaking out of their rear end. Very frustrating to say the least and anything counter to their mindset is literally deleted. Trust me on that.
My job has slowed down a bit so I’m going to pop my head in for some recon on foot soon. Probably tomorrow.
I disagree to some extent. While signs alone will never stop 100% of the asshats, I think the current signage is a joke. It looks like a 3 year-old put it up. I think official looking signage would go a long way. Ever been to Nassau? The signs they have are legit, like fully reflective, high quality, official signs you would find on a street, or anywhere there are government laws and regulation. I think if the signs look the part they may get a little more respect.I don’t think any amount of signage will do it. I think it would need to actually be enforced to prevent people from riding it, as in someone from the park stopping users, ticketing or something. Probably not possible?
I walked white this evening, it was dry where it was high or saw plenty of sun, but in some of the shade or low areas there was mud and snow still. This was probably the worst spot, it was similar on the section of red just before it meets blue.
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There were no trail closed signs up at the Jaques lot; I stopped by canal lot on the way home & there was a closed sign across the trail entrance there.
I disagree to some extent. While signs alone will never stop 100% of the asshats, I think the current signage is a joke. It looks like a 3 year-old put it up. I think official looking signage would go a long way. Ever been to Nassau? The signs they have are legit, like fully reflective, high quality, official signs you would find on a street, or anywhere there are government laws and regulation. I think if the signs look the part they may get a little more respect.
I agree that some enforcement would go a long way. In my opinion, the lack of enforcement (coupled with goofy signage) confirms the notion that the closure is not legit.
Finally, while gates at the trailheads would be better than what we have now, gates at the entrances to the parking lots would be far more effective. By the time the cars are in the lot it's already too late.
I'll preface what I'm going to ask by saying that only do I not ride Six Mile when its closed, if I see someone on FB (or elsewhere) ask, I post a link to the SixMilers group with the status saying its closed to deter people from riding it until its ready. (Same with Nassau as they've publicly posted they were closed). That being said, and to pkovos comment above about the person on FB saying its a state park, is it legitimately and legally closed? If so, everyone there would be trespassing and can that be put on the signs (and the fine enforced).I don’t think any amount of signage will do it. I think it would need to actually be enforced to prevent people from riding it, as in someone from the park stopping users, ticketing or something. Probably not possible?
I say that because just yesterday I read a thread on some central NJ mountain biking facebook group, and the gist was since its a state park it cant be closed by anybody orher than the state etc. basically the mentality seemed to me to be...go around the signs and ride it anyway. The worst part is although some were arguing to not ride it with valid points, the admin of the group was essentially one of the main people in favor riding it.
Unfortunately I suspect a lot of the people new to riding might be influenced by this a$$hat and not truly understand why riding it wet is such a problem.
I was disgusted enough that I left the group, otherwise I would post some of the thread here.
Im not super in tune with 6mile as I only get there 1-2 times a year so maybe this isn’t news to others but this guy really seemed to have an axe to grind with 6mile being closed and those maintaining it.
Since this is a picture of about 20’ of trail, and it being the worst - is it 70-80% dry everywhere else (if not better) or you are leaving footprints every step of the way and slipping all over the place?I walked white this evening, it was dry where it was high or saw plenty of sun, but in some of the shade or low areas there was mud and snow still. This was probably the worst spot, it was similar on the section of red just before it meets blue.
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There were no trail closed signs up at the Jaques lot; I stopped by canal lot on the way home & there was a closed sign across the trail entrance there.
Again, it comes back to is it legally closed or just closed because the fine folks who maintain the park don’t want anyone there (and rightfully so). If it’s legally closed then anyone there is trespassing and would be fined accordingly.Would it be possible to work out something with the State about the parking lots, somewhat along the lines of 'No Parking when the park is closed, cars will be towed/clamped' ? That would be easier to enforce and the prospect of making some money out of it with tickets, impounding fees etc. could be interesting for the State. You need to hit people where it matters to make a difference, which is usually their wallet.
Would it be possible to work out something with the State about the parking lots, somewhat along the lines of 'No Parking when the park is closed, cars will be towed/clamped' ? That would be easier to enforce and the prospect of making some money out of it with tickets, impounding fees etc. could be interesting for the State. You need to hit people where it matters to make a difference, which is usually their wallet.
Again, it comes back to is it legally closed or just closed because the fine folks who maintain the park don’t want anyone there (and rightfully so). If it’s legally closed then anyone there is trespassing and would be fined accordingly.
Um. Not everyone uses Strava. Beyond that, Strava has privacy controls. I don’t ride 6MR when it’s closed, but if I did I sure as hell wouldn’t make my Strava track public.easy enough to catch people - just look at the strava segment for "today"
enforcement has always been an issue
Bingo. There are no consequences.People will do what they want there until an official with actual authority steps in and tells them otherwise.