Bastard 10-spd

Paul H

Fearless OOS Poser
Gonna start googling this but in case someone already knows...
Trying to get wide range 10spd with at least 50t cassette
Which shifter-derailleur-cassette combo will work?
Reason? I might be wrong... but 10 spd chains have been bomb proof for me.
12spd chain on my FS doesn't last more than 500 or so miles. Too lazy for chain maintenance before every ride.
Currently have the Box 9 on my hardtail but feels like I am missing a gear. Also... don't really like the lever action.

Yes... I know about adventx.... 48t? I am a wimp... need all the help I can get.
 
Other than not wanting to be made fun of by the spandex crowd, how about a 26t chainring?

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Gonna start googling this but in case someone already knows...
Trying to get wide range 10spd with at least 50t cassette
Which shifter-derailleur-cassette combo will work?
Reason? I might be wrong... but 10 spd chains have been bomb proof for me.
12spd chain on my FS doesn't last more than 500 or so miles. Too lazy for chain maintenance before every ride.
Currently have the Box 9 on my hardtail but feels like I am missing a gear. Also... don't really like the lever action.

Yes... I know about adventx.... 48t? I am a wimp... need all the help I can get.

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There is talks about m5100 RD working with 10spd shifter and cassette
Except it's a 11 speed derailleur. Not sure the ratio shifter/derailleur would be correct. How would you manage the 50+ cog though on a 1o speed cassette?

I used to run a 10 speed XT on the K2 (the green contraption I was riding when I joined OOS) and to my knowledge the biggest cog you could manage with that setup was a 42T OneUp extender using a Goatlink by Wolftooth (granted you're using a long cage version of the derailleur). I had that very setup and it did work rather well, it is now on my wife's e-converted bike.
 
That why bastid 10spd
The current deore line is kinda weird.
M5100 is a 1x11 and m5120 is a 2x10.
The info on shifter/der ratio should be out there, somewhere...I usually download the Shimano tech sheets but I don't believe that info is listed there.
 
The derailleur doesn't dictate the pull ratio, the shifter does. Pretty sure the pull ratio is different for 10 vs 11.

The shifter also doesn't pull constant cable between each gear.

The derailleur is expecting: a certain cassette profile, and a certain amount of movement (diagonally) for every millimeter that the cable pulls. The shifter is expecting that the amount of cable pulled translates into the sprocket positions. When you mix brands (or generations), this is where stuff tends to go off the rails. A 0.1mm doesn't mean much by itself, but after 11 gears, it's off by 1mm. Additionally, the cassette profile thing isn't just an afterthought; when you need to bump the derailleur away from the cassette to clear a larger sprocket, it moves it away from ALL the gears...so shift speed/quality suffers there, too. We paid dearly for a switch from a double-sprung derailleur to a single spring, but most everybody wasn't even aware that it happened. Let's not even bring up the tangled mess of 10 speed road is different from 10 speed mountain, is different from new 10 speed mountain, is different from new 10 speed road.

It's moot, anyway. Current generation Shimano 10/11 mountain, specifically the one that I linked to, appears to share all the key spacing points for using it on a 10 speed setup...their setup. Whether it works with an old 10 speed shifter, or another brand, is anyone's guess. @Paul H would have to do his homework, because Shimano isn't interested in making sure their newly refreshed derailleur (compatible with 10 AND 11 speed) works with 8 year old stuff. Aside from the derailleur not officially being able to shift a 50t sprocket (Shimano is usually conservative there, but that's a BIG jump), one would also need to make sure that the spacing of the cassette that had a 50t ALSO matched the spacing that Shimano sells their approved cassette with. I guess you could use a Goatlink with the linked derailleur, but again, who knows how well that will work here.

In short: the 2t smaller chainring looks way more attractive when you need to figure all that out, usually by outlaying cash to do it. Raceface makes DM chainrings all the way down to 24t.
 
For $160 bucks you can have a full working 10spd groupset just commit to a smaller chainring.
 
Archer electro mechanical.....

If it fits, it shifts.

If it doesn't fit, you must aquit.
 
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