Another Cyclist Murdered

thegock

thegock

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rick81721 said:
Ah the old I can't craft a rational argument so just resort to ad hominem. So typical of the left.
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thegock

thegock

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I wonder who wrote all of these compelling sounding arguments for the 2A people.

Could it be the gun lobby funded by the gun corporations?
 
Captain Brainstorm

Captain Brainstorm

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thegock said:
I wonder who wrote all of these compelling sounding arguments for the 2A people.

Could it be the gun lobby funded by the gun corporations?
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Which pales in comparison to the "climate" lobby which is simultaneously taking our money and killing sea life, while you pat them on the back and call the rest of us idiots (okay, this is another thread, I know). Point is, don't start picking and choosing which lobby best supports your argument.
 
Chris(NJ)

Chris(NJ)

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Let's not forget about Monroe, LA. One of the highest crime rates per capita in the entire country. I just worked in that town for two months and lived across the river in West Monroe. I can tell you the residents in West Monroe open carry and I didn't see anyone trying to rob each other over there. Monroe on the other hand had a few notorious drug houses shot up in my time there. I'm sure it's not difficult to make the connection on the problem. (Hint: it's not the guns)
 
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Mahnken

Mahnken

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Mahnken said:
Just gonna leave this here...
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In case you want links to the studies...

1. Matthew Miller and others, “Firearms and Suicide in the United States: Is Risk Independent of Underlying Suicidal Behavior?”, American Journal of Epidemiology 178 (6) (2013): 946–955, available at http://aje.oxfordjournals.org/content/early/2013/08/22/aje.kwt197.full.pdf+html; DJ Wiebe, “Homicide and suicide risks associated with firearms in the home: a national case-control study,” Annnals of Emergency Medicine 41 (6) (2003): 771–782, available at https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/12764330; LL Dahlberg, RM Ikeda, and MJ Kresnow, “Guns in the home and risk of a violent death in the home: findings from a national study,” American Journal of Epidemiology 160 (10) (2004): 929–936, available at https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/15522849; D. Azrael and D. Hemenway, “’In the safety of your own home’: results from a national survey on gun use at home,” Social Science and Medicine 50 (2) (2000): 285–291, available a https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/10619696.
2. J.C. Campbell and others, “Risk factors for femicide within physically abusive intimate relationships: results from a multi-site case control study,” American Journal of Public Health 93 (7) (2003): 1089–1097
3. Matthew Miller, Deborah Azrael and David Hemenway, “Firearm availability and unintentional firearm deaths, suicide, and homicide among 5-14 year olds,” Journal of Trauma and Acute Care Surgery 52 (2) (2002): 274–275, available at https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/11426678.
5. Federal Bureau of Investigation, “A Study of Active Shooter Incidents in the United States Between 2000 and 2013,” available at https://www.fbi.gov/news/stories/fbi-releases-study-on-active-shooter-incidents (last accessed October 2017).
6. The Denver Post, “Armed bystander’s reaction in Ariz. Shootings illustrates complexity of gun debate,” January 15, 2011, available at http://www.denverpost.com/2011/01/1...ootings-illustrates-complexity-of-gun-debate/.
7. John Donohue, Abhay Aneja and Kyle Weber, “Right-to-Carry Laws and Violent Crime: A Comprehensive Assessment Using Panel Data and a State-Level Synthetic Controls Analysis.” Working Paper 23510 (The National Bureau of Economic Research 2017), available at http://www.nber.org/papers/w23510.
8. Evan DeFilippis and Devin Hughes, “Gunfight or Flight: New Study Finds No Advantages to Using a Firearm in Self-Defense Situations,” The Trace, July 14, 2015, available at https://www.thetrace.org/2015/07/defensive-gun-use-armed-with-reason-hemenway/.
12. Chelsea Parsons and Eugenio Weigend, “America Under Fire” (Washington: Center for American Progress, 2016), available at https://americanprogress.org/issues/guns-crime/reports/2016/10/11/145830/america-under-fire/.
13. Everytown for Gun Safety, “Background Checks Reduce Gun Violence and Saves Lives” (2015), available at https://everytownresearch.org/wp-content/uploads/2017/01/Background_Check-_FactSheet_web.pdf.
14. Daniel Webster, Cassandra Kercher Crifasi, and Jon S. Vernick, “Effects of the Repeal of Missouri’s Handgun Purchaser Licensing Law on Homicides,” Journal of Urban Health: Bulletin of the New York Academy of Medicine 91 (3) (2014): 293–302; Daniel Webster, Cassandra Kercher Crifasi, and Jon S. Vernick, “Erratum to: Effects of the Repeal of Missouri’s Handgun Purchaser Licensing Law on Homicides,” Journal of Urban Health: Bulletin of the New York Academy of Medicine 91 (3) (2014): 598–601.
 
Piston Honda

Piston Honda

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Captain Brainstorm said:
Which pHales in comparison to the "climate" lobby which is simultaneously taking our money and killing sea life, while you pat them on the back and call the rest of us idiots (okay, this is another thread, I know). Point is, don't start picking and choosing which lobby best supports your argument.
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FTFY
 
Mahnken

Mahnken

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Chris(NJ) said:
Let's not forget about Monroe, LA. One of the highest crime rates per capita in the entire country. I just worked in that town for two months and lived across the river in West Monroe. I can tell you the residents in West Monroe open carry and I didn't see anyone trying to rob each other over there. Monroe on the other hand had a few notorious drug houses shot up in my time there. I'm sure it's not difficult to make the connection on the problem. (Hint: it's not the guns)
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Mahnken

Mahnken

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For the record, and I've said this before, I'm not against people having guns. But pretending that more guns and less laws surrounding guns is the answer, is absurd. Why is there zero compromise on the issue? And if you're so dead set against any laws; What is the solution? What are we going to do to stop the violence? Can we quit it with the political left vs right bullshit and find some kind of middle ground on the issue? I don't think anyone has proposed taking anyone's guns away the way everyone is making it seem. So why not have more precautions in place on gun sales and ownership? And aside from that, what else can be done?
 
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