Frank, I hear ya on respecting the trails, I've told ya how much I like the work that's been done out there. It really is holding up quite well. Other than the river section which bikes couldn't even consider riding, although it didn't stop the horses, all the upper sections were in very good shape. They all seemed to shed the water quite well, the trail right from the trailhead was soft, but, wasn't bad either. Today it should be quite good out there. I'm sure theres some slop to be found out there, I didn't find it on my usual trails. TJ