This Thread Blows - C19 and beyond

[Patrick]

I feel like Arizona is a week behind.

We hit trader Joe's at 8:05am (we're still on Jersey time internally) and the parking lot was full, entire freezer section empty, lots of other shelves empty.

little reason to return - enjoy retirement in the desert southwest.

kings in whitehouse had nobody there - i didn't go in, but the parking lot was empty at noon.

 

[Patrick]

Fire

yes, to boil water. you can turn them into https://www.mtbnj.com/forum/threads/what-are-you-cooking-right-now.38426/post-623248

 

[Mahnken]

From a physician in WA state

"I want to take a minute to thank everybody who has gone out on their personal pages and tried to educate their friends and family. One of our ER docs in his 40s is in critical care right now (this is published info, I’m not breaking patient confidentiality, no worries). The last vents at one of our hospitals are in use and the vent scuffles have begun.

The shortages are HERE. Please keep educating people, and get them to STAY THE FUCK HOME."

 

[Mr.Moto]

yeah how else am I going to seek drugs

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[a.s.]

Please stop the hysterics and bad advice (like avoid medical facilities).

Are you serious man? Avoiding medical facilities is exactly what the specialist are telling us to do. If you feel sick, call your doctor. They don't want people going anywhere unless its serious or your doctor tells you to come in.

 

[Bike N Gear]

Are you serious man? Avoiding medical facilities is exactly what the specialist are telling us to do. If you feel sick, call your doctor. They don't want people going anywhere unless its serious or your doctor tells you to come in.

I have a friend whose 91 year old father just fell, broke four ribs, might have punctured his lung. Hospital said no visitors after today.

 

[ilnadi]

11 positives. 6 on vents. All male between the ages of 28-48.

Difference between statistics and localized reality

 

[JimN]

My grandmother is in the hospital with pneumonia, unrelated to the coronavirus. She is not allowed any visitors.

 

[rick81721]

Are you serious man? Avoiding medical facilities is exactly what the specialist are telling us to do. If you feel sick, call your doctor. They don't want people going anywhere unless its serious or your doctor tells you to come in.

yes if you have symptoms call and if they recommend, come in for a test. Your chicken little posts said to completely avoid.

 

[a.s.]

yes if you have symptoms call and if they recommend, come in for a test. Your chicken little posts said to completely avoid.

Right. Because I’m crazy and making this all up.

 

[iman29]

I finally went shopping this morning. With the exception of TP and bread, the shelves where I went were mostly full. The store was not crowded and I didn't wait in line. Aqui Market in Califon. Very nice store, a bit pricey, has a decent organic selection. This was what I was hoping for. A nice window of restocked shelves after the panic shopping wave completed. I grabbed what I normally would, and some canned stuff for good measure, but didn't go "crazy". I know we can go many weeks on what we have if needed.

We are now fully hunkered down. My oldest tween isn't getting it though, and still keeps asking to do things, but my younger two are seemingly more OK with it. I'm really not sure what I think about all this, but a couple weeks even months of laying low really isn't a big deal in the grand scheme of things. So I'm all in for social distancing. It's just not that big of a sacrifice the way I see it. Especially since I don't even like people that much.

If something changes, and I start to see this thing hitting kids, then I'll freak out, but I continue to take comfort in the fact that my kids are a lot less likely to get it, or suffer bad consequences if they do. That makes a huge difference to my level of comfort with any of these health things.

Haha my wife was near Califon today and went into Aqui this afternoon and now we are fully prepared even tho I told her don’t feed into the panic.



All kidding aside I had a good talk with my kids today (13,17,20) about this and just made sure they understand the practical approach to pay attention to how they interact with others but don’t get caught up in the panic. And while this may be inconvenient for some things like hanging out at a friends house, grandma is in the high risk category and we don’t want to bring anything to her.

 

[iman29]

 

[jShort]

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I live a few minutes from Aqui. The best part about it is that they always have ripe avocados. Year round.

 

[Captain Brainstorm]

Posted from a national physician group:

In a “best case scenario“ model, epidemiology experts project that 200,000 Americans may need ICU level care in the coming months. However, based on emerging global data, the “worst case scenario” model projects that 2.9 million Americans may need ICU level care. There are 46,500 ICU beds available in the US. In an emergency, hospitals can quickly try to create alternative spaces to double this number to approximately 80,000. In the US, we only have 160,000 available ventilators. There are even fewer trained respiratory therapists, who are essential for achieving good outcomes for ventilated patients.

If nearly 3 million Americans need ICU beds during the same month, there will be an extreme mismatch between supply and demand. This results in something called “distributive justice,” which is currently happening in other countries. When there are not enough resources to care for all of the sick patients, medical teams have to make decisions about who to try to save. Right now, there are hospitals in Italy in which doctors are not even able to assess patients over 60 years (or younger patients with preexisting heart or lung problems) - these patients are dying in hospital hallways because 100% of efforts and resources are geared towards saving younger patients.

This is not a partisan issue; it’s not about “socialism” or “political agendas.” This is math: too many patients + not enough hospital resources and staff = more deaths. A recent study out of Johns Hopkins demonstrated that the US healthcare system will struggle to absorb a sudden and large influx of critically ill patients. Specifically, Memphis was identified as one of two US cities least prepared to absorb a high volume of critically ill patients, due to low ICU bed per population ratios.

Key message: decreasing your interactions with people (“social distancing”) can help to slow the spread of infection. This, in turn, slows the rate of sick people presenting to hospitals. The same number of people may ultimately get sick, but if they present to hospitals more gradually, then there will be more resources to go around. This helps to save lives.

The country of France has fewer reported cases of COVID19 than does the US - and today, the centralized government mandated closure of all public gathering spaces, including restaurants and cafes. I anticipate that other countries will begin to follow suit in the coming days. With the anticipated rate of spread, every day matters.

The goal is for us to look back on this year and think - that was stressful, but it could have been worse. This is achievable if millions of people make quiet, uncelebrated sacrifices and choices to minimize social interactions.

2.9M Americans may need ICU? How, on what scientific basis? Doctors are not microbiologists or epidemiologists.

31 new cases in New Jersey today. Imagine if we were capable of actually testing everyone with symptoms

Big deal. Out of how many people in this state? Pretty sure every one with a sniffle is losing their shit and getting tested also. The more I read about the science behind this virus, the more I’m coming to the conclusion that we’ve become the most easily manipulated society in human history. The level of hysteria right now is worse than the actual disease.

 

[Mahnken]

2.9M Americans may need ICU? How, on what scientific basis? Doctors are not microbiologists or epidemiologists.

Big deal. Out of how many people in this state? Pretty sure every one with a sniffle is losing their shit and getting tested also. The more I read about the science behind this virus, the more I’m coming to the conclusion that we’ve become the most easily manipulated society in human history. The level of hysteria right now is worse than the actual disease.

The numbers come from John's Hopkins, I think I believe then more than you.

What US Hospitals Should Do Now to Prepare for a COVID-19 Pandemic

The WHO and the US CDC have called on health systems around the world to prepare for a possible COVID-19 pandemic.

www.centerforhealthsecurity.org

People should not be out and about enjoying their daily lives right now. Restaurants, bars, everything but grocery stores and pharmacies should close and people should stay home and quartering themselves to help get this under control, cause by the end of the week hospitals will be running out of vents and people will be dying because a bunch of selfish assholes couldn't stay home for for a couple weeks.

No one with a little sniffle is being tested. The US is way behind on testing.

 

[mtn]

The numbers come from John's Hopkins, I think I believe then more than you.

What US Hospitals Should Do Now to Prepare for a COVID-19 Pandemic

The WHO and the US CDC have called on health systems around the world to prepare for a possible COVID-19 pandemic.

www.centerforhealthsecurity.org

People should not be out and about enjoying their daily lives right now. Restaurants, bars, everything but grocery stores and pharmacies should close and people should stay home and quartering themselves to help get this under control, cause by the end of the week hospitals will be running out of vents and people will be dying because a bunch of selfish assholes couldn't stay home for for a couple weeks.

No one with a little sniffle is being tested. The US is way behind on testing.

I actually agree. I drove through newton today and there were lots of people at places like lowes, marshalls, home goods, harbor freight. All places that people don't need to be. And I was at shoprite standing first in line at 7am so I could get a 9 pack of TP since I needed some. Could've grabbed more but no need to. Will last a few weeks.

 

[jmanic]

As a misanthrope, social distancing is just a well needed vacation.
Don’t have to ask me twice.

mis·an·thrope
/ˈmis(ə)nˌTHrōp,ˈmiz(ə)nˌTHrōp/
noun

1. a person who dislikes humankind and avoids human society.
   "Scrooge wasn't the mean-spirited misanthrope most of us believe him to be"

Jk, not really, but compared with my usual work days in Gotham, I don’t mind going lone wolf.

 

[jShort]

Just curious. What would a better ability to test, help with?
Other than adding to the hysteria of course.

 

[jmanic]

Just curious. What would a better ability to test, help with?
Other than adding to the hysteria of course.

Personally I think it would provide folks with more realistic expectations.

 

[Mahnken]

Here's a good example of not being able to get tested. All the symptoms, even difficulty breathing, can't find anyone to test her. If you're not headed to the ICU, you're not getting tested. This shit is out there in the community, and the more people are out there, the quicker this gets way out of control. It's going to end in the entire nation going on lockdown because people are just refusing to take off the blinders.

Coronavirus in NJ: Symptomatic Monroe woman can’t get tested

Since Friday, a township family has been trying to get their 25-year-old daughter tested for coronavirus and has been unsuccessful

www.mycentraljersey.com