Are Flu Shots Mind Control?

Not to be the guy with the tinfoil hat, but flu shots, any vaccine for that matter are not w/out potential risks.

Not saying not to get it... Just be sure of the source. Your family Dr.,cool. If there's a potential problem, he/she will contact you ASAP. Some free clinic... Meh, good luck.

Here's a semi recent issue... Lots more from prior years.


http://mobile.reuters.com/article/idUSKBN0EZ1NB20140624
 
Juggernaut said:
Not to be the guy with the tinfoil hat, but flu shots, any vaccine for that matter are not w/out potential risks.

Not saying not to get it... Just be sure of the source. Your family Dr.,cool. If there's a potential problem, he/she will contact you ASAP. Some free clinic... Meh, good luck.

Here's a semi recent issue... Lots more from prior years.


http://mobile.reuters.com/article/idUSKBN0EZ1NB20140624
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That's a QC issue, not side effects from the vaccine - and nothing contaminated made it out of the system. Sure there is never zero risk but the benefits outweigh them for the vast majority of us.

That said, free flu vaccine at work tomorrow - I'll be in line
 
rick81721 said:
That's a QC issue, not side effects from the vaccine - and nothing contaminated made it out of the system. Sure there is never zero risk but the benefits outweigh them for the vast majority of us.

That said, free flu vaccine at work tomorrow - I'll be in line
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Go for it! It's probably fine.

If you grow an extra leg, can I have your Spearfish? 😉
 
last one i had..
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1speed said:
Ummm, yeah ... don't, uhhhh, don't do that. You do know what a flu vaccine is, right? It's a quasi-inert form of the current active flu strain. Injecting it intramuscularly allows your body to react to an invasion in a typical way and in a timely fashion. Injecting it intravenously creates what essentially amounts to a foot race between your immune system and the moving strain to keep it from directly reaching vital organs and (potentially) causing them to shut down. That alone wouldn't be so bad until you consider how your immune system works in this case. This is way oversimplifying it, but when a foreign body enters the blood stream, a stationary macrophage in the wall of the blood vessel itself will eat what it can catch and then break it down. It is then determined if a larger immune response is required via floating white blood cells. There is a small period of delay in this as the message must be sent to a local t-cell which then looks at the antigens in the now splayed out invader and decides if a b-cell is required to produce more antibodies. Now imagine having to do all this and then trace down remaining elements of the strain before they reach your body's superhighway to your heart (where along the way they can also feed on other nutrients in the bloodstream and possibly grow into something altogether new) rather than have them isolated and localized in the muscle tissue of your shoulder. There's no guarantee that your body will necessarily suffer ill-effects if you inject it intravenously -- I mean, your immune system could still win that race -- but I'd say why not just go ahead and utilize the standard method of delivery.
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So put it on a spoon, heat it up, and smoke the vapors then?
 
1speed said:
Ummm, yeah ... don't, uhhhh, don't do that. You do know what a flu vaccine is, right? It's a quasi-inert form of the current active flu strain. Injecting it intramuscularly allows your body to react to an invasion in a typical way and in a timely fashion. Injecting it intravenously creates what essentially amounts to a foot race between your immune system and the moving strain to keep it from directly reaching vital organs and (potentially) causing them to shut down. That alone wouldn't be so bad until you consider how your immune system works in this case. This is way oversimplifying it, but when a foreign body enters the blood stream, a stationary macrophage in the wall of the blood vessel itself will eat what it can catch and then break it down. It is then determined if a larger immune response is required via floating white blood cells. There is a small period of delay in this as the message must be sent to a local t-cell which then looks at the antigens in the now splayed out invader and decides if a b-cell is required to produce more antibodies. Now imagine having to do all this and then trace down remaining elements of the strain before they reach your body's superhighway to your heart (where along the way they can also feed on other nutrients in the bloodstream and possibly grow into something altogether new) rather than have them isolated and localized in the muscle tissue of your shoulder. There's no guarantee that your body will necessarily suffer ill-effects if you inject it intravenously -- I mean, your immune system could still win that race -- but I'd say why not just go ahead and utilize the standard method of delivery.
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Man - now I know how you keep yourself occupied during those long rides..


davidcarson48 said:
She wants to shoot it in my butt.
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Wait, WHAT?
 
davidcarson48 said:
So put it on a spoon, heat it up, and smoke the vapors then?
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That is exactly what I am saying, yes.

Actually, in truth the only real risk of taking it intravenously is probably that it will be ineffective because your body won't respond to it as a threat the same way -- it'll just cover it in white blood cells and flow it right into your kidneys and get rid of it. Or (since most flu needles are thicker than a typical syringe needle) you'll blow out the blood vessel you inject it into. Not a pleasant experience, but probably harmless. Some company actually working on an intravenous flu vaccine a few years ago, but I'm not sure what if anything ever came of that. As it is, the standard flu vaccine is about as easy as it gets -- it more or less just costs you a few moments of your day and possibly a slight discomfort in your shoulder.

Well, that and they get your DNA ...

And @Mountain Bike Mike -- on most of my long rides the only thing that's usually going through my head is the old Hamster Dance theme ...
 
1speed said:
That is exactly what I am saying, yes.

Actually, in truth the only real risk of taking it intravenously is probably that it will be ineffective because your body won't respond to it as a threat the same way -- it'll just cover it in white blood cells and flow it right into your kidneys and get rid of it. Or (since most flu needles are thicker than a typical syringe needle) you'll blow out the blood vessel you inject it into. Not a pleasant experience, but probably harmless. Some company actually working on an intravenous flu vaccine a few years ago, but I'm not sure what if anything ever came of that. As it is, the standard flu vaccine is about as easy as it gets -- it more or less just costs you a few moments of your day and possibly a slight discomfort in your shoulder.

Well, that and they get your DNA ...

And @Mountain Bike Mike -- on most of my long rides the only thing that's usually going through my head is the old Hamster Dance theme ...
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Well, you've gone an done it now.... It's stuck in my head. 😵
 
Got mine at work today for free and the let you keep the piece they take out...
 
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