Tariffs...what to make of them.

Asia equity markets opened down significantly. Wait... isn't 'equity' one of the words in DEI?!? Japan off 4% and Europe off 2%. US Equities futures off 125 bp.

Might be an interesting Monday.

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Probably related to @Doom reappearing.
 
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Hey all you mislead people!
Look up Robert Malley… he worked under Obama and Biden administration as lead US envoy to Iran… and guess what …. he was loyal to Iran trading info via emails! But this never made it to the top of the CNN news clipboard as it didn’t support the narrative! Fake news…..
Also… wouldn’t a real America Patriot who was on a secret email bring it to their attention instead of using this as a political platform!? This guy is a scam bag!
 
Zack 54 said:
Hey all you mislead people!
Look up Robert Malley… he worked under Obama and Biden administration as lead US envoy to Iran… and guess what …. he was loyal to Iran trading info via emails! But this never made it to the top of the CNN news clipboard as it didn’t support the narrative! Fake news…..
Also… wouldn’t a real America Patriot who was on a secret email bring it to their attention instead of using this as a political platform!? This guy is a scam bag!
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What is this in reference to? I'm asking a serious question.
 
Zack 54 said:
Hey all you mislead people!
Look up Robert Malley… he worked under Obama and Biden administration as lead US envoy to Iran… and guess what …. he was loyal to Iran trading info via emails! But this never made it to the top of the CNN news clipboard as it didn’t support the narrative! Fake news…..
Also… wouldn’t a real America Patriot who was on a secret email bring it to their attention instead of using this as a political platform!? This guy is a scam bag!
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So you are saying he was like Michel Flynn, you know trumps buddy. He was taking money from turkey….
 
Zack 54 said:
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Also… wouldn’t a real America Patriot who was on a secret email bring it to their attention instead of using this as a political platform!? This guy is a scam bag!
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Who cares who the guy is? He said he thought it was a joke or a scam of some type. Never thought it could possibly be real until the bombs dropped on schedule. He's not one of the idiots who totally ignored security protocols.
 
Zack 54 said:
Also… wouldn’t a real America Patriot who was on a secret email bring it to their attention instead of using this as a political platform!? This guy is a scam bag!
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He’s a journalist, doing what journalists are supposed to do. This is why we have a free press. For now.

And what was he supposed to bring to their attention, the fact that they were bypassing the law? In the face of wrongdoing at the highest levels, the expectation of a journalist is to be complicit with silence?
 
rlb said:
He’s a journalist, doing what journalists are supposed to do. This is why we have a free press. For now.

And what was he supposed to bring to their attention, the fact that they were bypassing the law? In the face of wrongdoing at the highest levels, the expectation of a journalist is to be complicit with silence?
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Don't know anything about the guy so this is more of a general statement than a direct one on this topic. The issue w/ journalism is bias, which has always existed! This ain't new, it's just now w/ the internet and immediacy of information availability it's more noticeable.

In this thread, multiple people have already repeated debunked information as if it was fact. The guy that continued repeating horse paste despite the facts around that. More recently, folks are parroting the fine people hoax, which was debunked as well: https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/trump-very-fine-people/

Snopes claims to be a non-biased organization, which I'll assume they are. Some have claimed they are left-leaning (I'm guessing conservatives?) but I'm not going down any research rabbit hole like that. I'm not aware of anyone accusing them of being right-leaning, and if that's true, I am only bringing that up to say if they aren't right-leaning, then there shouldn't be any agenda for them to falsely debunk the fine people hoax. And if someone actually listened to the full clip (or read a full transcript) instead of just sound bites that were specifically pulled to give the impression he said it, it's hard to come away believing he said what was claimed. (I'm not even gonna entertain the people who are gonna come back w/ "well we knew what he meant, he was just covering himself").

My point is when you get folks parroting what their favorite news outfit said w/o doing any independent research, and when you show them the error of their ways and they keep parroting, there is no discussion going on here; it's just people talking at each other, not comprehending each other and having a meaningful dialogue. It goes both ways of course, factually incorrect right leaning bias stories have the same problem of their consumers parroting them as well.

Don't get me wrong, there have been some good discussions here that were interesting. But that's why I've mostly tuned this thread out. There is so much deflecting, changing topic, repeating things that aren't true, and people putting words in other's mouths that were never said, etc.

In other words, standard anonymous internet behavior.
 
rjr44 said:
Don't know anything about the guy so this is more of a general statement than a direct one on this topic. The issue w/ journalism is bias, which has always existed! This ain't new, it's just now w/ the internet and immediacy of information availability it's more noticeable.

In this thread, multiple people have already repeated debunked information as if it was fact. The guy that continued repeating horse paste despite the facts around that. More recently, folks are parroting the fine people hoax, which was debunked as well: https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/trump-very-fine-people/

Snopes claims to be a non-biased organization, which I'll assume they are. Some have claimed they are left-leaning (I'm guessing conservatives?) but I'm not going down any research rabbit hole like that. I'm not aware of anyone accusing them of being right-leaning, and if that's true, I am only bringing that up to say if they aren't right-leaning, then there shouldn't be any agenda for them to falsely debunk the fine people hoax. And if someone actually listened to the full clip (or read a full transcript) instead of just sound bites that were specifically pulled to give the impression he said it, it's hard to come away believing he said what was claimed. (I'm not even gonna entertain the people who are gonna come back w/ "well we knew what he meant, he was just covering himself").

My point is when you get folks parroting what their favorite news outfit said w/o doing any independent research, and when you show them the error of their ways and they keep parroting, there is no discussion going on here; it's just people talking at each other, not comprehending each other and having a meaningful dialogue. It goes both ways of course, factually incorrect right leaning bias stories have the same problem of their consumers parroting them as well.

Don't get me wrong, there have been some good discussions here that were interesting. But that's why I've mostly tuned this thread out. There is so much deflecting, changing topic, repeating things that aren't true, and people putting words in other's mouths that were never said, etc.

In other words, standard anonymous internet behavior.
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Yeah, it's not like tRUMP supports racist groups like the Proud Boyz...
 
Bike N Gear said:
Curious what you think about trump wanting a third term? The more I think about it the more I think he might have said that just to get the press off the Signal story onto something else. The man does like to play games.
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I think it's effing ridiculous. Part of me thinks what you said, it could just be a smoke smoke-screen/distraction to divert attention. It wouldn't be his first or last.

Part of me thinks he may be serious. What if his "loophole" is having one of his kids run and win, the inference being they would be his puppet? That's his wink wink statement.

I don't know if either of the above are true, or if it's any of another dozen possibilities.
 
Bike N Gear said:
Curious what you think about trump wanting a third term? The more I think about it the more I think he might have said that just to get the press off the Signal story onto something else. The man does like to play games.
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Well. My first thought is that Obama could run and win.

My second thought is that he would sign an executive order banning Obama from running. At this point I have no faith in the democratic process.
 
Bike N Gear said:
Curious what you think about trump wanting a third term? The more I think about it the more I think he might have said that just to get the press off the Signal story onto something else. The man does like to play games.
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I always take tRUMP at his word between that and Project 2025 with the Heritage Foundation they are out to destroy the Liberal Democracy. To expand the Executive branch into an Illiberal democracy with all the power to the President. At worst an Authoritarians running the country. Most of the MAGA need someone to tell them what to read, watch and listen, too.
 
Bike N Gear said:
Who cares who the guy is? He said he thought it was a joke or a scam of some type. Never thought it could possibly be real until the bombs dropped on schedule. He's not one of the idiots who totally ignored security protocols.
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Really… so scum bag Robert Malley gets a buy because he was on the Biden abomination team and fake news media will not portray any negative narratives! Please do yourself a favor and look him up!
 
rjr44 said:
Don't know anything about the guy so this is more of a general statement than a direct one on this topic. The issue w/ journalism is bias, which has always existed! This ain't new, it's just now w/ the internet and immediacy of information availability it's more noticeable.

In this thread, multiple people have already repeated debunked information as if it was fact. The guy that continued repeating horse paste despite the facts around that. More recently, folks are parroting the fine people hoax, which was debunked as well: https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/trump-very-fine-people/

Snopes claims to be a non-biased organization, which I'll assume they are. Some have claimed they are left-leaning (I'm guessing conservatives?) but I'm not going down any research rabbit hole like that. I'm not aware of anyone accusing them of being right-leaning, and if that's true, I am only bringing that up to say if they aren't right-leaning, then there shouldn't be any agenda for them to falsely debunk the fine people hoax. And if someone actually listened to the full clip (or read a full transcript) instead of just sound bites that were specifically pulled to give the impression he said it, it's hard to come away believing he said what was claimed. (I'm not even gonna entertain the people who are gonna come back w/ "well we knew what he meant, he was just covering himself").

My point is when you get folks parroting what their favorite news outfit said w/o doing any independent research, and when you show them the error of their ways and they keep parroting, there is no discussion going on here; it's just people talking at each other, not comprehending each other and having a meaningful dialogue. It goes both ways of course, factually incorrect right leaning bias stories have the same problem of their consumers parroting them as well.

Don't get me wrong, there have been some good discussions here that were interesting. But that's why I've mostly tuned this thread out. There is so much deflecting, changing topic, repeating things that aren't true, and people putting words in other's mouths that were never said, etc.

In other words, standard anonymous internet behavior.
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I couldn’t agree more with your statement…. We all need to drop this discussion and go back to why we all joined this group in the first place… to talk about bikes , rides and travel!
 
rjr44 said:
Don't know anything about the guy so this is more of a general statement than a direct one on this topic. The issue w/ journalism is bias, which has always existed! This ain't new, it's just now w/ the internet and immediacy of information availability it's more noticeable.

In this thread, multiple people have already repeated debunked information as if it was fact. The guy that continued repeating horse paste despite the facts around that. More recently, folks are parroting the fine people hoax, which was debunked as well: https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/trump-very-fine-people/

Snopes claims to be a non-biased organization, which I'll assume they are. Some have claimed they are left-leaning (I'm guessing conservatives?) but I'm not going down any research rabbit hole like that. I'm not aware of anyone accusing them of being right-leaning, and if that's true, I am only bringing that up to say if they aren't right-leaning, then there shouldn't be any agenda for them to falsely debunk the fine people hoax. And if someone actually listened to the full clip (or read a full transcript) instead of just sound bites that were specifically pulled to give the impression he said it, it's hard to come away believing he said what was claimed. (I'm not even gonna entertain the people who are gonna come back w/ "well we knew what he meant, he was just covering himself").

My point is when you get folks parroting what their favorite news outfit said w/o doing any independent research, and when you show them the error of their ways and they keep parroting, there is no discussion going on here; it's just people talking at each other, not comprehending each other and having a meaningful dialogue. It goes both ways of course, factually incorrect right leaning bias stories have the same problem of their consumers parroting them as well.

Don't get me wrong, there have been some good discussions here that were interesting. But that's why I've mostly tuned this thread out. There is so much deflecting, changing topic, repeating things that aren't true, and people putting words in other's mouths that were never said, etc.

In other words, standard anonymous internet behavior.
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I feel very strongly strongly with what you've wrote.

I've said it before with where people accuse Trump of things he's done wrong that really aren't true. He's got so many ACTUAL failings, why parrot the ones that aren't true or are a stretch? I very much believe that's partially how we got a second presidency, there's got to be a lot of people that just ignored all the bad things about Trump because they realized they were lied to about some of it.
 
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