New Carbboom Energy Chews

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CarbBOOM Energy Chews - Wild Berries
Ingredients: Tapioca Syrup, Maltodextrin, Sugar, Pectin, Citric Acid, Potassium Citrate, Color Added (Black Carrot Juice Concentrate), Natural Flavors, Sodium Citrate, Fractionated Coconut Oil, Beeswax.

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Clif Shot Bloks - Strawberry
Ingredients: Organic Brown Rice Syrup, Organic Evaporated Cane Juice, Organic Brown Rice Syrup Solids, Pectin, Citric Acid, Natural Flavor, Colored With Black Carrot Juice Concentrate, Organic Sunflower Oil, Carnauba Wax.

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syadasti

Wet Rag
It is hard to decide between types os wax in your fruit chews.

http://www.welchs.com/products/food-and-snacks/fruit-snacks/fruit-snacks

Well almost all of them have it - those Welch snacks have carnauba wax in them but are higher in simple sugars and low in salts. Beeswax is completely natural, made by bees and some people prefer/buy comb honey. I don't see many people buying carnauba wax on its own to eat ;)

edit: Candy corn has carnauba wax - Sugar, Corn Syrup, Confectioner’s Glaze, Natural and Artificial Flavors, Salt, Artificial Colors (FDC Yellow 6 Lake, Red #40, Red 40 Lake, Yellow #5, Yellow #6, Blue 1 Lake, Blue #1, Yellow 5 Lake), Egg Whites, Honey Glycerin, Mineral Oil, Carnauba Wax
 
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Cyclopath

Shop Owner / Employee
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Not that I'm likely to ever try either of these...

jdog brings up the question of caranuba wax.
I question the fractionated coconut oil. I'm seeing this term and these oils in more and more products(and putting them back on the shelves) as the use of partially hydrogenated oils comes to a close. It all leaves me more suspicious of the manufacturers.

Fractionated coconut oil is all natural, is naturally extracted and is the most stable of the coconut oils with a very long shelf life. It is also the part with all the saturated fat. Until recently, fractionated oils were used as the oil and lubricant base for lotions, massage oils and creams and were not used in foods. Google info. I don't think I want to eat massage oil.

I may be skeptical, but I see the sweetener wars all over again. Remember the bad sugar that was replaced by the wicked pink stuff which was replaced by the more evil blue stuff which is now being replaced by the all natural and yet still questionable yellow stuff? My family gets sugar, real sugar. Yes, it may rot out your teeth if you eat too much, but you don't have to eat too much and if you do, your grandchildren won't be born with six arms.

Until they figure out what's wrong with this stuff I think I'll stick with real dried fruit.
 

syadasti

Wet Rag
Mountain out of molehill.

Neither brand have measurable quantities of fat. The amount of vegetable based oil in either brand is very minimal. Its used to keep the pieces from sticking together. Coconut oil is not a new ingredient, its been used for literally thousands of years.

You also know some candies they instead use mineral oil for this purpose, you know the petroleum by-product related to concoction many companies use in their cycling disc brakes;)
 

Cyclopath

Shop Owner / Employee
Shop Keep
Mountain out of molehill.
One man's molehill is another man's mountain.

Neither brand have measurable quantities of fat. The amount of vegetable based oil in either brand is very minimal. Its used to keep the pieces from sticking together. Coconut oil is not a new ingredient, its been used for literally thousands of years.
Change one molecule, change the world. Many things that have been used for thousands of years are still fine for some but deadly to others. I tend to be sensitive to minute changes so I don't mess around.

You also know some candies they instead use mineral oil for this purpose, you know the petroleum by-product related to concoction many companies use in their cycling disc brakes;)
The chances of me ingesting that is pretty darned slim too.

I'm not stopping you from eating it, just stating personal preference and substantiating my reasons.
So, I respectfully agree to disagree;)
 

syadasti

Wet Rag
Its not minute quantities of fractionation coconut oil you should be worrying about.

Better keep inside or move away because proven strong carcinogen are out there in full force in NJ - poor air quality, UV exposure etc. Let us know how that goes:rofl:

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Cyclopath

Shop Owner / Employee
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Its not minute quantities of fractionation coconut oil you should be worrying about. Better keep inside or move away because proven strong carcinogen are out there in full force in NJ - poor air quality, UV exposure etc. Let us know how that goes:rofl:

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Minute quantities of many things can be very harmful like DDT, antifreeze, insecticides, cyanide as well as the little microorganisms that carry lymes and strep and so on.

But why the personal attack? Why belittle my choices and opinions?:hmmm:

Oh... I see. I guess you have a vested interest in this product. My bad.
I didn't pick out that the original posting was a product introduction to this particular target market.

You should have been more obvious and had CarbBOOM products become a sponsor of this site. Then I'd be sure not to say anything that might be construed as negative. Until then, I'll point out that the demographics you cite do not differentiate the causes of cancer in NJ as being from smoking, environmental hazards or ingested carcinogens and I'll restate that I've personally added fractionated oils to a long list of ingredients and behaviors I avoid thereby potentially reducing my personal risk of many ailments including, but not limited to, cancer.
 
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syadasti

Wet Rag
I don't have any interest in Carb BOOM, I got an email about a Boxing Day promo (which I made no mention of and did not link to) that announced those chews this morning so I looked in to them and posted. Carb Boom makes better products than most sport nutrition companies. I currently use their gel and Clif Shot Bloks and gel. I've also used others in the past like Hammer gel and some of their other products. I prefer higher quality products over that of better know companies like Powerbar or Gu.

You are stuck on some minute quantity of plant oil that prevents a product from sticking/melting together. Its not even close to a primary ingredient, did you note the order on the list?

You offered no body of respected peer reviewed studies that support your ridiculous claim so its nothing more than typical Internet fluff. Your evidence fails because you presented none and arguments are no better than my graphic above which was my point. Sorry, I don't subscribe to the latest paranoia or hypochondrism.

Real nutrition is based in science, not superstitions.

For example when I researched conjugated linoleic acid years ago, I found at these authoritative articles not Google or Wikipedia. Go to the library or access a medical database to look for real evidence if you want to be truly informed about nutritional science issues rather than listen to the crazy guy at the health food store or an industry/company selling a product:

Aro, A., Mannisto, S., Salminen, I., Ovaskainen, M.L., Kataja, V., Uusitupa, M. (2000)
Inverse Association between Dietary and Serum Conjugated Linoleic Acid and Risk of Breast Cancer in Postmenopausal Women. Nutrition and Cancer. 38(2): 151-157.

Hubbard, N. E., Lim, D., Summers, L., Eriskson, K.L. (2000) Reduction of Murine
Mammary Tumor Metastatsis by Conjugated Linoleic Acid. Cancer Letters. 150: 93-100.

Ip, C., Banni, S., Angioni E., Carta G., McGinley J., Thompson H. J., Barbano D.,
Bauman D. (1999) Conjugated Linoleic Acid-enriched Butter Fat Alters Mammary Gland Morphogenesis and Reduces Cancer Risk in Rats. Journal of Nutrition. 129(12): 2135-2142.

Ip, C., Ip, M. M., Loftus, T., Shoemaker, S., Shea-Eaton, W. (2000) Induction of
Apoptosis by Conjugated Linoleic Acid in Cultured Mammary Tumor Cells and Premalignant Lesions of the Rat Mammary Gland. Cancer Epidemiology Biomarkers & Prevention. 9(7): 689-696.

Petrik, M. B. H., McEntee, M. F., Johnson B. T., Obukowicz M. G., Whelan J. (2000)
Highly Unsaturated (n-3) Fatty Acids, but Not [Alpha]-Linolenic, Conjugated Linoleic or [Gamma]-Linolenic Acids, Reduce Tumorigenesis in [Apc.sup.Min/+] Mice. Journal of Nutrition. 130(10): 2434-2443.
 
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Cyclopath

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... You offered no body of respected peer reviewed studies that support your ridiculous claim so its nothing more than typical internet fluff. Your evidence fails because you presented none and arguments are no better than my graphic above...

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I made no claim. Maybe you should re-read what I wrote.
I simply stated that I won't eat either chews because I'm not comfortable with certain ingredients.
You must have misread my statements since you seem to be rather heated about my choice not to eat this product.
Last I checked, This was an open forum and I was entitled to have personal opinions, likes and dislikes without having to defend them with scientific studies which have not yet been made on a relatively new by product derived from an ancient food source.
Would you care as much if I said I won't eat hydrogenated oils, high fructose corn syrup, aspartame or blue cheese?:hmmm:
 

syadasti

Wet Rag
You questioned that ingredient when someone mentioned waxes. Its not a new ingredient just because you aren't familiar with it. These days its pretty easy to find studies on almost any food compound in nutritional science journals, just query the databases which are accessible from almost anywhere if your library is setup that way.

Its very similar type of misguided logic and arguments people make against important technology that has saved literally millions of lives (vaccinations, fluorinated water, etc). People should look to the real facts behind the issues rather than unfounded fears and ignorance. Focus on big picture and look at significant issues rather than wallowing in paranoia over rudimentary snapshot of the issue..

Going off topic further.

You should be concerned about of things like nutrasweet/aspartame but that's because there truly is a solid foundation for doubt but its false logic to treat all products you aren't familiar as tainted. The basis of that debacle is in our government, not nutritional science.

You need to look at the body of rigorous peer reviewed studies from the professional journals and find how it was conducted, who ran the study, funding, etc - that is basic research fundamental when doing a meta-study on a topic. Simply going by the FDA is an obvious limitation.

I don't doubt that our government is incapable of testing on its own and am familiar with that issue:

It may come as a surprise to some people, but even a huge bureaucracy like our federal government has a very limited capacity to conduct studies of chemical safety. For example, the National Toxicology Program (NTP) --a consortium of eight federal agencies --studies ONLY the cancer effects of chemicals, and manages to test ONLY a couple of dozen new chemicals each year. (Effects on the nervous system, the reproductive system, the immune system, the endocrine system, and major organs such as kidney, liver, heart and brain are simply not considered by the NTP.) During a typical year, while the NTP is studying the cancer effects of one or two dozen chemicals, about 1000 new chemicals enter commercial markets. Our federal government is simply swamped by new chemicals and cannot keep up. Furthermore, it is highly unlikely that this situation will change. No one believes that our government --or anyone else --will ever have the capacity to fully evaluate the dangers of 1000 new chemicals each year, especially not in combination with the 70,000 chemicals already in use.

As far as that sweetener, this sums up the fundamental flaw that pushed that product on to the market:

Because of FDA budget limitations, it is standard procedure for the bulk of initial safety tests to be financed, designed, and carried out by the company with a vested interest in the product. The reliability of their results is called into question when 74 out of 74 industry-sponsored articles attested to aspartame's safety, while 84 out of 91 of the non industry-sponsored articles identified problems with the chemical.

Similarly questionably story behind rBGH approval, Monsanto performed the study that lead to the FDA approval and there were other unique circumstances. Using biased or vest interests in studies complete invalidates them - again this is a basic principle of quality research.

In December 1998, CFS filed suit challenging the approval of the GE hormone recombinant bovine growth hormone, or rBGH. The suit demands that the agency reverse its 1993 approval of the hormone. Newly discovered evidence, the plaintiff says, shows that the original evaluation of rBGH by its manufacturer, Monsanto, was flawed. CFS alleges that the FDA's approval was based on Monsanto's conclusions that rBGH was safe, rather than on raw data from the study itself. One study apparently missed by the FDA was revealed during a Canadian review of rBGH. A 90-day rat study showed that between 20 and 30 percent of the rats had immunological reactions after being fed rBGH, suggesting the drug triggered toxicological effects. Other research has also indicated there may be human health risks and that the use of rBGH in dairies damages the health of the cows.

Another interesting fact on the rBGH issue:

"Take the case of Michael Taylor. After graduating from law school at the University of Virginia in 1976, Taylor went to work for the Food and Drug Administration, eventually rising to the position of executive assistant to the FDA's administrator. Then Taylor left the federal government for a post in the high powered D.C. law firm of King and Spaulding. Taylor was the firm's specialist in food and drug matters pending before the FDA. During his tenure at King and Spaulding Taylor's client included Coca-Cola, Carnation, the Food Biotechnology Council, and Monsanto. One of Taylor's duties was to represent Monsanto's efforts to get its bovine growth hormone approved by the FDA. Taylor left King and Spaulding in 1991 to rejoin the FDA, this time as Deputy Commission for Policy. In that position Taylor was responsible for writing guidelines on the use and marketing of the controversial hormone that were favorable to the company. Specifically, Taylor drafted guidelines that exempted milk producers from labeling dairy products from cows that had been treated with rBHG. Now Taylor has returned to Monsanto, working on what the company calls "long range planning."...

During his days at King and Spaulding, Taylor also authored more than a dozen articles critical of the Delaney Clause, a federal law passed in 1958 prohibiting the introduction of known carcinogens to processed foods. The Delaney Clause had long been opposed by Monsanto and other chemical and pesticide companies. When Taylor rejoined the federal government, he continued to argue that Delaney should be overturned. This was finally done when President Clinton signed the so-called Food Quality Protection Act on the eve of the 1996 elections."

The issues can be very complex but with careful and basic research principles you can cut through the noise out there and get a good feel for general real consensus on the issues.
 
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Norm

Mayor McCheese
Team MTBNJ Halter's
The issues can be very complex but with careful and basic research principles you can cut through the noise out there and get a good feel for general real consensus on the issues.

Or, you can find a new hobby and choose to eat as many whole and organic foods as possible. While I don't disagree with what you say, there's a lot of politics involved in everything and your quotes show that there really isn't always an easy answer waiting at your library.

I also believe that a little bit of anything isn't going to kill you, with some exceptions like cyanide and a bullet. If the basis of your diet is clean and whole, occasional exceptions are not going to make much of a difference.

One point that Cyclopath is trying to make is that every artificial sweetener every has eventually been found to be toxic. Why would anyone think this latest one is any better? The real issue that everyone needs to look at their eating habits and say, "You know, an apple is better for me than this Ho Ho with FDA-approved fake sweetener." None of this is really a problem if you think.

Ultimately, eat as clean as possible and don't worry about all this political fluff. It may turn out that Clif bars are made with DDT (which is another maligned chemical as malaria has skyrocketed since it's banning, btw) but they make up a pretty small part of my diet. Ok, well maybe not that small, Perhaps that's why mosquitoes drop dead when they fly anywhere near me?
 

jdog

Shop: Halter's Cycles
Shop Keep
If it tastes good and i don't shit myself as a result, I usually eat it. If i can Un-bonk myself on a hard ride than it is even better.

If it causes a fight on the internet.. even better still.

Merry x-mas. Eat what you want and rub your belly!

j
 

syadasti

Wet Rag
Norm, none of these gummy supplement products mentioned have artificial sweeteners or additives period, it was the choice of a natural anti-stick oil questioned - similar idea to the grease people put on pans to cook with only this is to prevent piece to piece adhesion. Its a minute quantity that does not even have a measurable fat content.

The point still remains though, its not a potent deadly poison and sometimes even nasty chemicals in very small quantities have prevented millions from illness/suffering/death like fluoride (drinking water and toothpaste) and sodium nitrates (meat/fish). Homeopathic medicine is also poison in small doses if you believe in that sort of thing.

As far as sorting through studies when you read them you can easily see the methods they used, their data, etc. You'll be able to see whether they didn't do a SRS, double blind, or there was some other glaring issue you can figure it out when you read it. You can also usually sort through it by making sure its from a trusted peer reviewed scientific journal (rather than USA Today or some mainstream crap). Sponsors/funding sources are usually apparent too or require a quick search.
 
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