This Thread Blows - C19 and beyond

Captain Brainstorm

Well-Known Member
They probably want to get the government reimbursement on the r&d so they need to submit for approval.


I didn’t read any of the other post or the links mentioned.
Molnupiravir has been kicking around since 2014 and is basically a dud. COVID is like the Walking-Dead-zombie apocalypse for old drugs. The lazy way to make money, just dust-off low to moderately effective compounds and devise a trial and endpoints to show any type of efficacy, breath new life into any of these turds, all in the name of public safety to fight the extinction-level pandemic known as COVID. What happened to good old R&D and real drug discovery and research? I'm sure there will be more coming behind this one, and the media will hold them up as your next great hope (hype).
 

Patrick

Overthinking the draft from the basement already
Staff member
Random thoughts,

isn't a version with mild symptoms, even if more transmissible, a good thing?
Trending back towards the level of a cold?
Seems like a solution, if catching it provides some overarching resistance to more harmful versions? (which we don't know but fits with current thinking)

Like antibiotic resistant bacteria, are the strains that are surviving a result or break-through or just random mutation?
Esp if there is no pressure to mutate?

IMHO, until there is a general coronavirus vaccine, we are chasing it, unless it mutates into oblivion like the others,

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Easy on the politics. There are people that won't get vaccinated, and people that can't.
The key word there is people. Not the contractions.
 

rick81721

Lothar
Random thoughts,

isn't a version with mild symptoms, even if more transmissible, a good thing?
Trending back towards the level of a cold?
Seems like a solution, if catching it provides some overarching resistance to more harmful versions? (which we don't know but fits with current thinking)

Like antibiotic resistant bacteria, are the strains that are surviving a result or break-through or just random mutation?
Esp if there is no pressure to mutate?

IMHO, until there is a general coronavirus vaccine, we are chasing it, unless it mutates into oblivion like the others,

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Easy on the politics. There are people that won't get vaccinated, and people that can't.
The key word there is people. Not the contractions.

Yes if omicron is more transmissable and less virulent (which anecdotally is what some S. African docs are saying) - that is a good thing. Eventually it will be more like a cold.

Viruses randomly mutate all the time. Some - like measles - mutate to forms that are no longer infectious, which is why the vaccine is so effective. There will be no such thing as a "general coronavirus vaccine"
 

rick81721

Lothar
Here is a snippet from the weekend edition of the WSJ regarding molnupiravir, which got lost in the Omicron news of the week:

“The FDA said it is still conducting its review of molnupiravir, after the companies told the agency earlier this week the pill was 30% effective in a final analysis of the late-stage study results. After taking an early look at results, the companies had reported in October that molnupiravir was 50% effective.

Molnupiravir, and another experimental antiviral from Pfizer Inc. PFE -2.96% that is also under FDA review, promise to fill a big gap in Covid-19 treatment for a pill that people could easily take at home to keep them out of the hospital.”

Large, accelerated filers tend to release bad news on a Friday to avoid the high new cycle.

Then there is this:

FREE DUMB

"Red states are now paying people not to get vaccinated

By Catherine Rampell

11/29/21 at 6:27 p.m. EST

Once upon a time, states debated whether to pay people to get vaccinated. Now, some red states are paying people not to get vaccinated, by cutting checks to workers who quit or are fired because they refuse covid-19 shots.

All spring and summer, Republicans cried bloody murder about how too-generous unemployment benefits were supposedly discouraging Americans from returning to work. Expanded jobless benefits were creating welfare queens, they argued, and driving labor shortages and hurting small businesses.

As I wrote at the time, it seemed reasonable to believe that at least for some workers, jobless benefits were a factor weighed when deciding whether to accept or reject available jobs. But lots of other factors mattered, too — including child-care availability, fear of getting ill, transit problems, changing family priorities, the wages offered and burnout.

Ultimately, those other factors seemed to matter more. Expanded pandemic benefits ended, first in a few GOP-controlled states (over the summer) and eventually nationwide (in September). Their lapse appeared to have little impact on job growth.

That didn’t stop some Republican politicians from continuing to blame labor shortages on unemployment benefits even after the offending federal programs had expired nationwide. Their talking point long outlasted its plausible relevance.

Now, Republicans are expanding these laziness-inducing benefits once again — but only for workers who refuse shots.

At least four states — Florida, Iowa, Kansas and Tennessee — have recently extended benefits to workers who are fired or quit over their employers’ vaccine requirements. For context, workers who are fired for cause or who quit voluntarily are usually not eligible to receive unemployment benefits. With limited exceptions, only those laid off through no fault of their own have been able to receive such aid.

Incidentally, most of the states implementing this new policy had earlier rejected calls from President Biden to use federal relief funds to issue $100 payments to inoculated individuals. Tennessee Gov. Bill Lee (R), for instance, said this summer that it wasn’t “the role of government” to financially incentivize vaccines.

At least not vaccines for humans, anyway. Over the past two years, Tennessee has sent almost half a million dollars to farmers for vaccinating their cattle against various ailments, according to the Associated Press. So, apparently, that’s an appropriate role for government.

Incentivizing Americans to refuse coronavirus vaccines is not pro-life. It’s not small-government. It’s not pro-growth. And it’s not pro-personal responsibility.

So why are Republicans doing it?

A recent report from Axios argues that these policy changes are primarily about building “loyalty with unvaccinated Americans”: “Republicans see a prime opportunity to rally their base ahead of the midterms,” Axios reports.

Maybe that’s true. Maybe this is about showing important political constituencies that Republicans have their backs. There have also been some examples of officials in bluer areas refusing to confront their anti-vaccine allies, and sometimes even effectively paying them not to get shots, as well. A Nevada school district, for example, paid public workers overtime to get tested regularly if they refused coronavirus vaccines.

But building solidarity with fellow culture warriors isn’t the only benefit for Republicans.

These policies also undermine federal efforts to get the pandemic under control, which the right then blames Biden for not controlling. They also might help sabotage the economic recovery, which the right will also blame Biden for not sufficiently juicing. Of course, the magnitude of the economic effect of these unemployment-benefit policies alone may be tiny, at least based on that recent experience with other unemployment benefit expansions. But that’s not what Republicans have said they believe.

And remember, these unemployment benefit expansions are just one among many anti-vaccine actions Republicans have taken.

There’s been some debate on the left about whether the GOP’s covid denialism is simply misguided or whether it is driven by a cynical attempt to sink the economy. On the one hand, as New York magazine’s Jonathan Chait has observed, Republicans have trashed efforts to mitigate covid (shutdowns, mask-wearing) as far back as early 2020, when President Donald Trump was still in office.

On the other hand: Since then, 777,000 Americans have died of the illness, and we’ve developed an economically painless tool — vaccination — to save lives. A tool developed under Trump, no less! GOP politicians and right-wing media have sown suspicion in this miraculous measure all the same. Some also seem to be openly cheering for an economic crash. Sen. Rick Scott (R-Fla.), for example, recently described the prospect of unfavorable economic conditions next year as a “gold mine” for his party heading into the midterms.

Whatever their motivation, Republicans seem to be rooting for the virus — and against the country."

#darwinismworks

Eh old man @thegock is just jealous that FL has the lowest covid infection rate in the country.

And to the above - so dems want to keep paying people not to work, repubs want to pay/incentivize people to keep working.
 

Mtbdog

Well-Known Member
Eligible for booster tomorrow. Would it be wise to wait until they understand more about the omicron variant, and get booster that is effective against this variant also? Or just get the booster tomorrow and wait and see how the omicron variant goes?
Trying to avoid having to get a possible 4th shot in future for omicron variant.
 

Patrick

Overthinking the draft from the basement already
Staff member
Eligible for booster tomorrow. Would it be wise to wait until they understand more about the omicron variant, and get booster that is effective against this variant also? Or just get the booster tomorrow and wait and see how the omicron variant goes?
Trying to avoid having to get a possible 4th shot in future for omicron variant.

will be getting 4th (and probably more) shot no matter what,
we are 3+ months from a variant inclusive vaccine.
 

rick81721

Lothar
Eligible for booster tomorrow. Would it be wise to wait until they understand more about the omicron variant, and get booster that is effective against this variant also? Or just get the booster tomorrow and wait and see how the omicron variant goes?
Trying to avoid having to get a possible 4th shot in future for omicron variant.

No other choice - just get any of the boosters. This will likely be an annual booster going forward, like flu
 

Patrick

Overthinking the draft from the basement already
Staff member
this morning - about 14 hours after the booster.
A little bit of congestion, runny nose, and light headache.
Maybe a little vertigo ? Def off.
Feel a bit dehydrated, so probably didn't drink enough water.

I'd say about 50% masked at flemington costco
 

jShort

2018 Fantasy Football Toilet Bowl Lead Technician
Team MTBNJ Halter's
Got Moderna yesterday, lil achy today, arm is less sore than 2nd shot doe. I had zero symptoms from the first 2 shots other than dead arm
Which did you get the first time? Moderna?
 
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