Is this America?
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But from this:
"Prosecutors will proceed with a riot case only if it includes an accompanying allegation of specific property damage or use of force, he said."
There are nuances of this on both sides I do not care enough to dive into. But it seems to me like a ton of people were arrested for being in the wrong place at the wrong time. And they dropped most charges unless there was property damage involved.
I also do not know the nitty gritty of Portland but I seem to remember the mayor saying it was ok to take over that area downtown. I felt it was a really idiotic thing to do at the time. But the mayor of the city should be held accountable in some regard if that is accurate. But again, my facts are likely not facts but vague memories of what may have happened.
Unarmed: there were explosive devices in multiple areas around the Capitol/DC. There were arrests made for firearms possession. We have no accounting, that I know of, about whether or not the morons in the Capitol were armed because...they largely didn't arrest them.
50: Haven't seen a count and don't know how many went inside. Certainly the larger mob was a lot greater than 50 people.
Clowns: concur, but rather dangerous clowns.
Not sure what point you're trying to make. I've never stated that this was potentially resulting in "taking down the most powerful country in the history of this planet". I defended the use of the term "insurrection" and stand by that. Not sure how it's arguable.
You seem...ok? with having Congress barricaded in their chamber with pieces of furniture and a handful of armed guards squaring off against a mob with a makeshift battering ram. Not an issue?
rick81721
Lothar
Yes. Who says only certain things are acceptable to protest??
It's the First Amendment - it doesn't specify what you are gathering peacefully to assemble about. If I think the White House should be painted blue I have every right to put together a peaceful demonstration about it.
I may do just that, actually.
rick81721
Lothar
Where did I say it was OK? All violent protest is not OK. However, there seemed to be a rather large percentage of people thinking all the violence last summer was OK...
You're deflecting yesterday's protest by comparing it to the BLM protests which were 93% peaceful. There's a HUGE magnitude of difference between looting a Target and storming the capital with flexcuffs.
No, looting and destruction of cities should not be celebrated or condoned, but I can't even begin to compare that to storming the capital building of our nation.
I'm with you on the non-specific specifics. And yeah, I'm sure there were legitimate cases of the directive helping the innocent. But it certainly sends a message that a lot of stupid isn't going to have ANY consequences.
Under the new policy, the district attorney's office will "presumptively decline to prosecute cases where the most serious offense is a city ordinance violation or where the crime(s) do not involve deliberate property damage, theft or the use or threat of force against another person."
Those crimes include:
- Interfering with a peace officer or parole and probation officer
- Second-degree disorderly conduct
- First and second-degree criminal trespass
- Third-degree escape
- Harassment
- Riot - Unless accompanied by a charge outside of this list.
don
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Not at Starbucks, but I think that happened at one of the NJ bike shops last spring when a customer was told they had no more bikes.
Yes. You have picked your side and sunk cost fallacy will not allow you to step back from the ledge now. It's all or nothing.
Either you support BLM or you support Nazis with "Camp Auschwitz" hoodies forcing congress to stop counting electoral votes. Somehow these sides have ended up equal in people's minds and you have to pick a side and never leave that side.
Oh c'mon dude.
CNN ridiculed for ‘Fiery But Mostly Peaceful’ caption with video of burning building in Kenosha
CNN was ridiculed for a video caption Wednesday night that read “Fiery But Mostly Peaceful Protests After Police Shooting” during a report from national corresponde…
thehill.com
You might not want to trust that source so much. "Experts say"
In recent years, several large-scale data-collection projects have produced georeferenced, disaggregated events-level conflict data which can aid researchers in studying the microlevel dynamics of civil war. This article describes the differences between the two leading conflict events datasets, the Uppsala Conflict Data Program Georeferenced Events Dataset (UCDP GED) and the Armed Conflict Location Events Dataset (ACLED), including their relative strengths and weaknesses. The aim of the article is to provide readers with some guidelines as to when these datasets should be used and when they should be avoided; it finds that those interested in subnational analyses of conflict should be wary of ACLED’s data because of uneven quality-control issues which can result in biased findings if left unchecked by the researcher. The article concludes that those interested in non-violent events such as troop movements have only ACLED to choose from, since UCDP has not coded such data, but again warns researchers to be wary of the quality of the data. Finally, while the creation of these datasets is a positive development, some caveats are raised in relation to both datasets about the reliance on media sources.
Most of us "thinking the violence last summer was OK" were saying the following:
The violence was not ok
The violence detracted from the original message relating to police brutality and racial equality
The violence that did happen was the inevitable result of decades of systematic problems and oppression. In that, there is a parallel. The violence witnessed yesterday was the inevitable result of the past months of conspiracy theory BS spread by a subset of our elected leaders. I'm thankful that it wasn't worse.
And yeah, in focusing immediately on entirely unrelated protests from this past summer you're, at best, minimizing what happened yesterday.
rick81721
Lothar
Haha 93% peaceful? Yet over $1 billion on damages, small business owners ruined, government buildings damaged and over run, police cars burned, 19 killed...
Pearl
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Oh c'mon dude.
CNN ridiculed for ‘Fiery But Mostly Peaceful’ caption with video of burning building in Kenosha
CNN was ridiculed for a video caption Wednesday night that read “Fiery But Mostly Peaceful Protests After Police Shooting” during a report from national corresponde…
You might not want to trust that source so much. "Experts say"
In recent years, several large-scale data-collection projects have produced georeferenced, disaggregated events-level conflict data which can aid researchers in studying the microlevel dynamics of civil war. This article describes the differences between the two leading conflict events datasets, the Uppsala Conflict Data Program Georeferenced Events Dataset (UCDP GED) and the Armed Conflict Location Events Dataset (ACLED), including their relative strengths and weaknesses. The aim of the article is to provide readers with some guidelines as to when these datasets should be used and when they should be avoided; it finds that those interested in subnational analyses of conflict should be wary of ACLED’s data because of uneven quality-control issues which can result in biased findings if left unchecked by the researcher. The article concludes that those interested in non-violent events such as troop movements have only ACLED to choose from, since UCDP has not coded such data, but again warns researchers to be wary of the quality of the data. Finally, while the creation of these datasets is a positive development, some caveats are raised in relation to both datasets about the reliance on media sources.
What in the world does that have to do with what I said? I don't condone the destruction of buildings and looting that happened over the summer. Do I work at CNN?
My thoughts are completely ratfucked by Fox News/OANN to the point where I can't decipher what's real and what's not. I don't think 95% of the nation is my enemy. I do think Nazis are my enemy. When this dude is busting in the capital of my country trying to overthrow an election that was kicked out of every courtroom due to a lack of evidence, yeah I can say that's not okay.
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