Within Black Bear, I share the JORBA duties for Wayway with @jeffstick. Jeff is our primary sawyer.
Simply, chain saw certification is required to cut trees in any NJ park with a power saw. However, please ride with your handsaw and help us out with the small stuff.
Regarding the trails out by Splitrock and The Wall that were illegally built; the park has instructed Black Bear not to maintain those trails. The park has deemed them dangerous and too hard to extract an injured person in the event of an incident. The park would prefer that people not ride those trails and for the forest to reclaim that area. Not the answer you were looking for and I am sure I will get some hate mail. Don’t shoot the messenger.
Cannot go into specifics on which park officials but that is the view of park mgmt. The trails specifically are Split Rock and The Wall.if you shared that info before I missed it. good to know the park deems those trails too dangerous to ride considering everyone rides them. who in the park told you this?
Just my two cents but a lot of times storm damaged or downed trees are more dangerous than felling trees.In general, permission to use a chainsaw will only be granted to those with formal training and/or are licensed in NJ.
This is unfortunate, as most of the work is limbing or bucking (it is still dangerous, but not like felling)
Thank you for the offer - Call the park office, and always offer to supply labor.
This is unfortunate, as most of the work is limbing or bucking (it is still dangerous, but not like felling)
Just my two cents but a lot of times storm damaged or downed trees are more dangerous than felling trees.
Most of those tangled trees do weird sh#t when you start cutting them out
Anyone who is trying to clean stuff out please be careful
Totally agree. I have been a swamper for years and stuff pops, stands up, etc. Need groups of guys who are certified, work well together and know what they are doing.I was quite
For what my opinion on the matter is worth, after spending a few hours watching Art cutting up some big ass downed trees entangled with each other in Ringwood last Saturday I can confirm that this is absolutely the case. Those big suckers pop and move in any direction they want once you start cutting them. Let's leave it to who knows what they're doing please.
Well let’s hope if porcupine gets adopted we leave it just as it is. That is a great raw technical trail. No offense to other park trail builders, but I don’t want to see a flow trail in wayway. Raw like Stokes is the way to go.
The map from “the state” is actually a NYNJTC map. I know Porcupine is on the map but I do not think The Wall is on that map. I will double check. Either way, they are not officially recognized at the moment. I do not foresee Split Rock or The Wall ever being officially recognized by the park.Both porcupine and wall are on official maps. I know they are not blazed and were illegally cut, but I have a map of the park from the state that shows both trails. I had incorrectly assumed that this meant that the trails had been adopted by the park as sanctioned trails. Map was from a few years ago, I think it noted unblazed trail or something like that and that may mean that it is illegal and I just did not know what the term meant.
The map from “the state” is actually a NYNJTC map. I know Porcupine is on the map but I do not think The Wall is on that map. I will double check.
Leaning trees and anything with a spring in it (that you think isn't under tension but is) are the surest way to loose body parts or eyesight.Just my two cents but a lot of times storm damaged or downed trees are more dangerous than felling trees.
Most of those tangled trees do weird sh#t when you start cutting them out
Anyone who is trying to clean stuff out please be careful
Not shooting the messenger, and I appreciate the work you and @jeffstick do for the park. One can argue any trail at Wawayanda is 'dangerous', depending on skill level. Splitrock and the Wall have become more dangerous beCAUSE they are not maintained. I knew the person who built those trails (along with some of the favorites like Hemlock, Sitting Bear, Tombstone, Rattlesnake, etc), he knew how to incorporate natural features to make for a fun ride. Technical, but fun. I would argue Gravity is the most difficult and dangerous trail, and as for extraction - it's in the same area as Splitrock, so I respectfully disagree. I will respect the park's wish to not ride those trails if I can avoid them, though it's difficult to avoid if you park at Ferber.Within Black Bear, I share the JORBA duties for Wayway with @jeffstick. Jeff is our primary sawyer.
Simply, chain saw certification is required to cut trees in any NJ park with a power saw. However, please ride with your handsaw and help us out with the small stuff.
Regarding the trails out by Splitrock and The Wall that were illegally built; the park has instructed Black Bear not to maintain those trails. The park has deemed them dangerous and too hard to extract an injured person in the event of an incident. The park would prefer that people not ride those trails and for the forest to reclaim that area. Not the answer you were looking for and I am sure I will get some hate mail. Don’t shoot the messenger.
One can argue any trail at Wawayanda is 'dangerous', depending on skill level.
Do they recognize USFS certification? Or Game of Logging?Chainsaw Certification Workshop | New York-New Jersey Trail Conference
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This is how you get certified to cut in a NJ State Park.
To echo what others have said cutting wind downed trees without proper training & gear won't get you hurt it will get you dead.
Do they recognize USFS certification? Or Game of Logging?