mwlikesbikes
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How the hell did my inner grammar nazi miss this!How have we come this for without someone complaining about the typo in the title of this thread?
The one that bothers me is Wildcat Wednesday’s...
How the hell did my inner grammar nazi miss this!How have we come this for without someone complaining about the typo in the title of this thread?
We need to do a top gear like episode where utah rides his mtb and then an e bike on local segments.
Or Utah versus Norm on e bike
fixedHow the hell did my inner grammar nazi miss this!
The one that bothers me is Wildcat Wednesday’s...
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How the hell did my inner grammar nazi miss this!
The one that bothers me is Wildcat Wednesday’s...
BITE ME@sarcaro . . . .
Oh schweet jeebus...?fixed
We need to do a top gear like episode where utah rides his mtb and then an e bike on local segments.
Or Utah versus Norm on e bike
We need to do a top gear like episode where utah rides his mtb and then an e bike on local segments.
Or Utah versus Norm on e bike
Give the people what they want.
Apparently there is a demand for Ebikes if there selling them, personally I think it's lame for the non elderly and folks without health issues to ride them but honestly who gives a shit what I think you should be riding. For the record I think Fat bikes are stupid too and a lot of music they play on the radio sucks...but again who am I to tell you what to do...and do I really want a world where everyone shares my exact point of view as well as likes and dislikes.
You shouldn't have to justify what kind of bike you ride to anyone, do your thing, people are gonna have their opinions, right or wrong, it don't matter. Nothing matters, it's not over until we say it's over...who's with me???
I think there's a ton of misinformation and understanding of what an e-bike is actually capable of. I was easily able to outride all of my co-workers on a single-speed while they were on 10k+ e-bikes. They are NOT faster than a normal bike by any means, all they do is make the effort to sustain that speed non-exsistant. We Strava'd our ride this weekend and my times were faster in every part of the park. Should I be banned? It's just another thing that people can complain about.
This is mostly right - an eMTB still requires plenty of effort. Ebikes are not magically faster and do not amplify stupidity (I’m talking mid-drive trail bike). I have ridden e and non-e extensively and own both. Hub drive bikes in town (worthless on trails - type 2 with throttle) have some potential abuse issues, that is off topic for this discussion. Mid-drive pedelec I agree with Jim, they are only faster up hills (and trust me you still work at it.) Non-e can and do go faster level and down, as I can attest with the non-e’s i ride with. E is a different riding experience I prefer. An eMTB is a full-on full suspension mountain bike or hardtail with literally same components as a non-e bike (wheels, shocks, cranks, sprocket, cassette, derailleur, brakes, chain), with a mid-drive motor instead of a crankset.
Type 1 mid-drive eMTBs on trails (which is what we’re talking here):
- don't erode trails more (ride one on a trail and see)
- don’t go faster than non-e where it counts as in pain and accidents (ride one on a trail and see)
- don’t give power when you’re not pedaling and are governed
- don’t do burnouts
- don’t kill puppies
It’s a different riding experience but it’s legit (see EMBN YouTube channel). The “earn it” folks don’t like “shuttlecocks” either. Ban that? The whole purpose of shuttling is to get the downhill without “earning” it. “Earn it” is a style of riding I respect, but don’t prefer. Trail speed, stranding due to poor planning and mech issues, these are not any different on e-bikes than non-e. Running into a tree or endoing on a fast downhill hurts the same on either and is just as easy to do. As Jim points out non-e is faster where the speed counts, around trees and hills. My average trail speed on e is about the same as non-e, GPS-backed (unless there are lots of uphills). I ride with non-e all the time and they are usually waiting for me except on the uphills. Common sense will naturally limit speed on either e or non-e, lack thereof will get you in trouble on either. Uphill crashes/issues, which is where ebike shines? Show me. Bear food if you don’t walk fast enough after poor planning / mech issue / injury? Same for e and non-e. Unless e and non-e riding together, then old joke about running faster than the other guy not the bear applies.
Olympic athlete vs. former pro freestyle rider Chris Smith on a world cup course. All your questions are answered.
As a reference, my co-workers were on jailbroken Specialized Turbo Levos and I'm Cat1.
Just to stir the pot, what about something like this: https://newatlas.com/luna-x1-enduro-ebike-full-suspension/60227/ ???
Don't know much about its specs, and maybe it behaves exactly the same as other e-bikes detailed above, but does seems like a version of Moore's Law is @ work with e-bikes and we're going to see "ludicrous modes" in excess of 2KW of power and price tags below $3,500.
Not likely for MTB. Watch EMBN. The Europeans are driving the market. Demand is for lighter, not faster (they are limited to 15mph!), and looks and acts like a traditional MTB. Turbo Levo (one of the market leaders) is great example. 2019 aluminum model is lighter than 2018 carbon model. Bigger battery, same motor output. The top of the line all-mtn, enduro, etc ebikes look very much like their non-e bretheren in each class, and pro mtb riders in EU are adopting them for training and rec. I think what you will see is convergence to a “does both” mean FOR MTB - elec assist of some kind on MTB will be a given, like full suspension, for high end. Think about it - on trails, what is the limiting factor? Not speed. Skill on technical, and grunt on uphill. Why not a bike that maneuvers like non-e and takes the grunt out of hills? Adaptive power (“there when you need/want it”) is getting better. Also, in both US and EU the speed is limited. While they can be jailbroken, IMO it is incremental benefit in limited circumstances on eMTB designed for the limited classes (motor size, battery weight, 1x11 drivetrain, etc.)
In non-MTB, such “bikes” already exist (with a high price tag). They are either “illegal” homebuilds, or motorcycles with vestigial or no pedals. In both US and EU they are different class. For large motors you have large batteries, and as well they are hub drive not mid-drive, so not useful for MTB. More likely e-dirt bikes will emerge, which should be treated like gas dirt bikes or quads. With how good and cheap 4-stroke dirt bikes are (relatively speaking) I doubt this is going to take off quickly if at all. Most likely you will see motor inflation on street and gravel use. Again weight and cost of battery is limiting factor. The ones that exist now are expensive boulevard cruisers or gravel bikes.