H2H Categories

[Dave Taylor]

I think my best cat 1 results were racing SS in the non-SS class. You’ll do fine.

I wasn’t planning on SS class this year but have some friends that are undecided where to race now. But I guess guys like @pooriggy will be forced to 50+ or pro. I am racing open just because I want to get faster to improve my endurance racing the next few years.

 

[Chris(NJ)]

Just forces you to race your age group or open sadly. You guys can all compare your times afterwards

What kind of numbers did cat 1 SS pull? I always remember it at least being 7-10 people.

If it makes y’all feel any better, they combine the pro category and cat 1 19-39 for XC... FART NOISE

Really? lol...I don't remember any H2H Cat1 SS races having that many. Maybe 7-8, but I don't recall a 10+ field in a regular H2H series race.

 

[MixMastaMM]

All of last years results are here:

http://www.h2hrace.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=175&Itemid=155

Decisions to change categories were based off of last years numbers.

What is the minimum number of racers each category should have?

 

[Pearl]

Really? lol...I don't remember any H2H Cat1 SS races having that many. Maybe 7-8, but I don't recall a 10+ field in a regular H2H series race.

damn, maybe you are right. my mind must be stuck on the olden days, i was just looking at older results...

2011 cat 2 SS
wayway - 20 starters
tymor - 10 starters
kvsp - 12 starters

and then MASS Cat 2 races, forget it.
fair hill - 36 starters
iron hill - 24 starters
fair hill classic - 27 starters

#GoldenEraOfRacing

 

[Chris(NJ)]

All of last years results are here:

http://www.h2hrace.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=175&Itemid=155

Decisions to change categories were based off of last years numbers.

What is the minimum number of racers each category should have?

I guess it depends on who you ask and why they're racing. Also depends on the category imo.

I believe that the slower categories need more people competing. It'll be much more fun for them to be involved in a large group. So I'd say cat2-3 should aim for 12-15 at a minimum.
The higher level categories need less racers, but they need them to be more competitive.

 

[Chris(NJ)]

damn, maybe you are right. my mind must be stuck on the olden days, i was just looking at older results...

2011 cat 2 SS
wayway - 20 starters
tymor - 10 starters
kvsp - 12 starters

and then MASS Cat 2 races, forget it.
fair hill - 36 starters
iron hill - 24 starters
fair hill classic - 27 starters

#GoldenEraOfRacing

Yea, I always remember the MASS series having bigger turnouts and attracting some faster guys.

 

[soundz]

I think everyone should be thrown into 1 giant category. Then you can provide a web site where you can filter the results by 1000 different permutations. And order a medal based on the category you decide you rode in.

 

[Steve Vai]

I know it's like beating a dead horse, but all of the other series anywhere are more popular when USAC isn't involved. Why H2H is stuck on this super simple issue is baffling to me.

 

[stb222]

I think everyone should be thrown into 1 giant category. Then you can provide a web site where you can filter the results by 1000 different permutations. And order a medal based on the category you decide you rode in.

Like what @fidodie and @rick81721 do for strava: 150th overall, 25th age 58-59, 4th age 58-59 this year, 1st age 58-59 today: I am the KOM of today!

 

[Patrick]

Like what @fidodie and @rick81721 do for strava: 150th overall, 25th age 58-59, 4th age 58-59 this year, 1st age 58-59 today: I am the KOM of today!

i've got rick by 30lbs too - so i'll want that breakdown. and facial hair. smooth, van dyke, full beard.

and damn you!!!

Old york from milltown to basilone
1 Rich Lavigne *Crank Addicts* Aug 16, 2015 24.8mi/h 152bpm 202W Powermeter - 4:38
2 james pearl Mar 13, 2013 24.8mi/h 188bpm 268W - 4:38
3 Temo MapsRider May 16, 2015 23.8mi/h 167bpm 252W Powermeter - 4:50
4 Kevin McElwain Oct 6, 2017 22.5mi/h - 216W - 5:07
5 patrick mariani Jun 24, 2014 22.4mi/h 139bpm 221W - 5:08

 

[stb222]

i've got rick by 30lbs too - so i'll want that breakdown. and facial hair. smooth, van dyke, full beard.

and damn you!!!

Old york from milltown to basilone
1 Rich Lavigne *Crank Addicts* Aug 16, 2015 24.8mi/h 152bpm 202W Powermeter - 4:38
2 james pearl Mar 13, 2013 24.8mi/h 188bpm 268W - 4:38
3 Temo MapsRider May 16, 2015 23.8mi/h 167bpm 252W Powermeter - 4:50
4 Kevin McElwain Oct 6, 2017 22.5mi/h - 216W - 5:07
5 patrick mariani Jun 24, 2014 22.4mi/h 139bpm 221W - 5:08

I that has to be TDP, 140 ride, lol. But take what you can get.

 

[rick81721]

Like what @fidodie and @rick81721 do for strava: 150th overall, 25th age 58-59, 4th age 58-59 this year, 1st age 58-59 today: I am the KOM of today!

Pffft you don't even know the age brackets. I'm in 55 to 64 - I feel pretty good if I get top 10 in that bracket on segments, even better if I get top 10 overall. I know for most road segments that's not happening, but I can pull off some mtb ones.

 

[stb222]

Pffft you don't even know the age brackets. I'm in 55 to 64 - I feel pretty good if I get top 10 in that bracket on segments, even better if I get top 10 overall. I know for most road segments that's not happening, but I can pull off some mtb ones.

Do you still own the new trail at SMP, I will
Personally address that one if so.

I will admit your Mercer times were respectable for an old dude.

 

[rick81721]

Do you still own the new trail at SMP, I will
Personally address that one if so.

I will admit your Mercer times were respectable for an old dude.

No, Jeff blew it away. Focusing on segments down here for the next month

 

[Pearl]

268w for 4:38 minutes? What was i doing, sleeping!?

 

[Norm]

268w for 4:38 minutes? What was i doing, sleeping!?

Probably texting.

 

[Steve Vai]

KOM holder uses Stages. Or weighs 110 pounds. PS-I know the KOM holder, weighs like 170 pounds.

 

[Delish]

I think everyone should be thrown into 1 giant category. Then you can provide a web site where you can filter the results by 1000 different permutations. And order a medal based on the category you decide you rode in.

This has a name. It’s called “triathlon”

 

[JDurk]

I know it's like beating a dead horse, but all of the other series anywhere are more popular when USAC isn't involved. Why H2H is stuck on this super simple issue is baffling to me.

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This was just discussed in depth on the MASS FB page. Good insight from several current and former race promoters. https://www.facebook.com/groups/MASSRACERS/permalink/10156148741804846/

 

[AL.]

My 2 cents.Super lame h2h doing away with singlespeed.
I know most on the board are h2h racers but in my opinion mass series is so much better.
Scoring chips on plates every race,quicker results and better turnouts.
Last year Ringwood race was ran in shit conditions on a smaller revised loop.. just reschedule.
I plan to hit a few h2h races this year seeing that they have a few new races.
Mass series i also notice has more of a team competitive atmosphere.
i know a few racers on mass teams and they make it more of a point to even just show up to a race to at least get points for the team.
On the h2h website they dont even list team standings.