Any YT Jeffsy Owner’s in North Jersey?
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Tim
aka sptimmy43
I thought the same thing. My Jeffsy is 150/150 and it's awesome. My old Anthem was 110 rear/130 front and it was not enough.
Paul H
Fearless OOS Poser
Right... pedal strikes... rear is 135
JohnnyWestood
Active Member
CycleBoy! It was a great demo day. Cheers to everyone involved. It was my first exposure to VPP, and I don’t know what to make of it. Based on the travel indicators front and back I was using the travel the bikes had to offer, but my butt, hands and feet told me something different. I’m still processing, but confused. Does the rear lockout under pedaling? Do the techs set the bikes up super stiff? I’ve ridden Fox 36’s before that were buttery smooth, but even the forks felt stiff. I was like where’s the suspension? I rode the HTLT, Bronson and Tallboy. Very efficient, very few pedal strikes! On the down side, I didn’t feel like the suspension was helping me that much. Is it all setup?
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Tim
aka sptimmy43
How much do you weigh? I can't speak to characteristics of VPP as I have never owned a Santa Cruz and don't have any first hand knowledge with regards to them. I assume you are a heavier guy just a direct correlation to your height. You will almost certainly need to install volume reducers/tokens in the fork and shock to make them more progressive. This means you can run a lower pressure which will make them supple and buttery smooth in the initial travel but they will firm up towards the end of the travel to resist bottoming out. Generally bikes don't come with any volume reducers/tokens installed from the factory.
JohnnyWestood
Active Member
I am about 220 with pack. The Santa Cruz tech told me that I would need volume reducers and maybe a shock wiz session. Which is fine, but the Pivot Mach 5.5 felt super plush right out of the box. I know I sound like a broken record and even I am getting tired of hearing it. But that bike rode great with minimal set up when I picked it up. Asked my weight, did the bounce test, adjusted the seat height and I was riding over things, and not blowing through the travel either. I took pics of the bike as I got back to the car and I hadn’t used all the travel front or back. Nothing else I have demoed felt like that. The closest was a Giant Trance. We’re talking Ibis (also DW link), Devinci, Yeti, Bikes that anyone would say are top notch. I am even questioning myself, was the Pivot really that good? Am I looking back with rose colored glasses? Or is that the bike for me and that’s it?
I made my mind up on Friday to buy the Pivot. As luck would have it, the shop was closed for a family wedding. So I went to the SC demo hoping to fall in love. I didn’t, but I think that it may be a set-up thing.
TJYeti
Knows about bikes
VPP is really plush. I went from a Yeti asr to an Intense 5.5evp and night and day. I was looking to get away from racier geometry to more enduro lt type bike and the Intense did it. I ride Tourne a lot since it's just a couple miles from my house and the Intense really smoothed that place out. Stuff I would thread around I just plowed over. I've run everything but double black diamonds at Mt Creek with it too and it handles that just fine. I just love it.
JohnnyWestood
Active Member
I had the feeling that my experience wasn’t typical. Not writing Santa Cruz off yet. Or Imtense for that matter, if I can get on one soon. Thanks for the feedback.
Tim
aka sptimmy43
Different manufacturers bikes will feel different even if they use the same basic suspension design. Little differences in the linkage design can affect the leverage curve i.e. how progressive the rear end behaves regardless of the shock tune. To reference 2 bikes I have experience with the Maestro (Giant) suspension is linear and the YT suspension is quite progressive. My old Anthem blew through the travel like no tomorrow. Even with volume reducers in the shock it was still too squishy. The YT resists bottoming out even with a linear shock. When you get into the midstroke it starts to firm up. This is entirely related to the way the linkage of the frame is designed. You may be able to make a linear bike more progressive by adding tokens to the shock but you really can't make a progressive bike more linear aside from maybe switching from an air shock to a coil.
Dude. Buy the Pivot. It clearly was a great match for you. Figure out how to make the $$$ work and just buy it already. I can tell you that if you don't buy it you will lust after it. You will drool with envy every time you see one on the trail. You will convince yourself that whatever you bought instead isn't the right bike and you will sell it....at a huge loss. Then you will buy the Pivot anyway.
And I am pretty sure if you buy a new bike it will stop raining.
Dude. Buy the Pivot. It clearly was a great match for you. Figure out how to make the $$$ work and just buy it already. I can tell you that if you don't buy it you will lust after it. You will drool with envy every time you see one on the trail. You will convince yourself that whatever you bought instead isn't the right bike and you will sell it....at a huge loss. Then you will buy the Pivot anyway.
And I am pretty sure if you buy a new bike it will stop raining.
JohnnyWestood
Active Member
Paul H
Fearless OOS Poser
I'm thinking sag wasn't set correctly. Prolly needed more air.
JohnnyWestood
Active Member
Why don’t you just go buy the Pivot? KIDDING. Being a brat. I can make the money work, it’s not like the Santa Cruz is any cheaper. I think I have found a shop that sells Pivot AND finances. If things go the way I think they will, I’ll be able to pay it off at the end of the month anyway, but just in case it doesn’t having 12 months at zero % makes it totally doable. Then I can shut up about this already.Different manufacturers bikes will feel different even if they use the same basic suspension design. Little differences in the linkage design can affect the leverage curve i.e. how progressive the rear end behaves regardless of the shock tune. To reference 2 bikes I have experience with the Maestro (Giant) suspension is linear and the YT suspension is quite progressive. My old Anthem blew through the travel like no tomorrow. Even with volume reducers in the shock it was still too squishy. The YT resists bottoming out even with a linear shock. When you get into the midstroke it starts to firm up. This is entirely related to the way the linkage of the frame is designed. You may be able to make a linear bike more progressive by adding tokens to the shock but you really can't make a progressive bike more linear aside from maybe switching from an air shock to a coil.
Dude. Buy the Pivot. It clearly was a great match for you. Figure out how to make the $$$ work and just buy it already. I can tell you that if you don't buy it you will lust after it. You will drool with envy every time you see one on the trail. You will convince yourself that whatever you bought instead isn't the right bike and you will sell it....at a huge loss. Then you will buy the Pivot anyway.
And I am pretty sure if you buy a new bike it will stop raining.
JohnnyWestood
Active Member
They did set up the bikes a little stiff. I noticed on one I rode that the tire pressure was jacked way up. I literally took out 15 to 20 psi out of one I rode. That can make a huge difference.
qclabrat
Well-Known Member
Wow, solid parts also with the good carbon
That bike retails for 6500 , if it was a medium id buy it in a second