Icarus documentary

[UtahJoe]

Anyone else check this out on netflix yet? I thought Bryan fogel's process of doping with the help Grigory Rodchenkov was pretty interesting...however, the second part of the story with what russia has been doing to cheat the olympics forever....not surprising, but just wow. If you haven't seen this yet, check it out.

 

[Pearl]

nope i dont have netflix

 

[gtluke]

nope i dont have netflix

this post proves you have the internet though
https://thepiratebay.org/search/icarus/

 

[Pearl]

man i haven't downloaded a torrent in ages

 

[mattybfat]

nope i dont have netflix

What the
How the hell you Netflix and chill
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Netflix_and_chill

 

[UtahJoe]

I would pay for netflix for no other reason that is exponentially cheaper than a babysitter.

Anyway....the story got side tracked, but I would love to know what all of that doping actually cost Bryan Fogel.

 

[Delish]

I may sign up for Netflix just to watch this film.

 

[1speed]

I thought it was decent, but I agree with you - I wish it could have been more about the guy's doping regimen. Rodchenkov is not a very sympathetic character, and I don't say that because of his being the guy who ran the doping programs in Russia. He just came across as a guy completely consumed with his own self interest at the expense of everyone around him.

That said, I think I will never lose interest in doping stories - legal or otherwise. They just fascinate me for some reason. I was watching some of the Rich Piana footage that was excluded from Generation Iron, and steroids are basically legal in many contests for bodybuilding and his thoughts on the subject (as one of the most famous juiceheads of all time) were really interesting. I don't understand why they didn't include it in the movie.

 

[Ryan.P]

Good watch for sure , I was kinda doing laundry and bike maintenance during the first half and by the second half I was glued to the TV, might have to sit and re watch from the beginning

 

[UtahJoe]

I thought it was decent, but I agree with you - I wish it could have been more about the guy's doping regimen. Rodchenkov is not a very sympathetic character, and I don't say that because of his being the guy who ran the doping programs in Russia. He just came across as a guy completely consumed with his own self interest at the expense of everyone around him.

I liked both topics, but ya...Bryan was mentioning his FTP numbers and the increases he was seeing, more info would have been nice.

Agree about Rodchenkov....while its great that he came forward and told his story...I think about how bad he and his group may have totally fucked olympic results for decades.

 

[Norm]

I thought it was fascinating.

@pearl - I don't have Netflix, and I still use the USPS. How old are you, 90?

 

[gtluke]

I don't have Netflix and I was at the post office an hour ago

 

[Delish]

Between the constant battle to limit the technology arms race (heh) and the half measures taken to to eliminate doping, sometimes I wonder if we would just be better off saying eff it and make the Olympics ANYTHING GOES. AKA, SNL's All Drug Olympics circa 1988.

And if you don't like it, you can all sit back and enjoy the pure unadulterated competition of amateur athletics where nobody dopes. ever. (Seriously...SEVEN banned substances? To win Masters 35+ Crits?)

 

[1speed]

(Seriously...SEVEN banned substances? To win Masters 35+ Crits?)

I saw this yesterday and it cracked me up. This guy is one of the OG dopers in this country. I think with seven banned substances in his system, you kind of have to figure this guy isn't even in it for the performance enhancement -- I think he just really, REALLY loves drugs.

 

[gtluke]

 

[Monkey Soup]

Watching this and Joe Rogan interview was pretty eye opening, or "staggering" like Joe said about 15 times. Whats even more amazing is the athletes that beat the Russians for gold in all those Olympics, what are they on? I think pretty much everyone is on the sauce at that level. This and the ayahuasca/DMT interviews that Joe does are pretty entertaining.

I think that the drug cocktail that Fogel was on is pretty par for the course (i.e. EPO, HgH, and a steroid). His results in the second Haute Route race were interesting though, as an observer it seems that the rest of the field was doing the same thing as him, they just had better genetic potential, better training, nutrition, and recovery. And probably youth too.

 

[gtluke]

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/12/05/...-olympics.html?smid=tw-nytimes&smtyp=cur&_r=0

 

[UtahJoe]

 

[Juggernaut]

Yay! I’m reliving my adolescence.

Shit, are my plates even or odd?

 

[1speed]

The Russians used that hole to help them attain the glory of Olympic gold. So shouldn't the NY Times call it a "glory hole"?

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